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Post by deadmans on Oct 7, 2010 5:40:06 GMT
Will have arrived at Neasden by the time you read this. Plus another two this month. Things are really flying along. ;D
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Post by citysig on Oct 7, 2010 8:22:38 GMT
Plus another two this month. Things are really flying along. ;D Some of us always said they would...
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Post by harlesden on Oct 8, 2010 9:20:50 GMT
Interesting spectacle for any trainspotters around en route. Is "trainspotters" still the correct term? Might be something different these days since road sweepers became known as hygiene technicians.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 9:51:14 GMT
I think you'll find that they're called 'transport enthusiasts'. Actually, I think it's a better term, as I like lots of geeky things about trains, but couldn't care less about cab numbers, so it's a more effective catch-all for the likes of us.
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Post by vato on Oct 8, 2010 12:48:08 GMT
ah - last time i saw the class 20s it was a single unit at each end. i assume the change is due to the new contract for deliveries? is this to provide more power? more braking? more resilience to failures?
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Post by bassmike on Oct 8, 2010 17:04:59 GMT
re" transport enthusiasts" the latest b-----kspeak V'e heard is "Facilities Manager" previously known as a "Janitor"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 17:18:26 GMT
Glom - that tunnel is the underpass from Neasden depot through to Wembley Park. I saw the first one pop up through there, don't think I've ever seen so many people in one cab...
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Post by metrolander on Oct 8, 2010 17:22:45 GMT
Glom; nice use of cunning, a most underrated and impressive trait. I must say I would quite like to use such cunning to have a ride but I rarely traverse my 'home' line these days. I can only imagine that looking down the length of the train must be something like looking into pepertuity. I remember going on a 3-car 378 when they were new; that was wierd enough, the other night I was travelling late and the view looking straight down the empty 4-car seems impossibly long.
'Transport enthusiast' may or may not be classed as total BS-speak but to be honest my main gripe with it is that it could be (in my case, is) wildly inaccurate. Surely I'm not alone in having an interest in various railway-related things, but not 'transport' as such?? There's a whole lot to do with transport which I've got NO interest in whatsoever, as well as avoiding if at all possible!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 17:29:04 GMT
Perhaps the term "railway enthusiast" or something even more specific would be more appropriate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 17:46:22 GMT
I figured as much about the tunnel, but it still looked cool emerging at a crawl from it.
It was impressive to look down an improbably long length in both directions. It's good to have a train that seems logically configured. I never understood the value in having driver cabs being redundant in the middle of a trainset. It looks cobbled together aswell. Not now though. Free movement through eight carriages. We could start doing relativity experiments.
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Post by metman on Oct 8, 2010 18:07:45 GMT
The drving cabs in the middle was a throw back from the uncoupling days. It finally ended in 1981. I like the look of middle cabs, it somehow makes the train more interesting. With uncoupling now gone, it makes more sense to remove them. The 92ts pioneered this fully.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2010 18:30:58 GMT
The drving cabs in the middle was a throw back from the uncoupling days. It finally ended in 1981. I like the look of middle cabs, it somehow makes the train more interesting. With uncoupling now gone, it makes more sense to remove them. The 92ts pioneered this fully. Not so much anymore. I've seen a 92ts formed DM-UNDM-UNDM-UNDM-UNDM-DM-UNDM-DM. As the 92ts is 2 car units I would assume they are classified UNDM, not NDM. Trying to remember if that was the one I got out to West Ruislip or Epping now.
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Post by Rich32 on Oct 9, 2010 8:34:18 GMT
CharlieJ - That was due to some recent reformations to keep the stock running - but that really is for the Central Line board. [cough]
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 9, 2010 10:54:44 GMT
A few surplus driving cabs give a bit of flexibility though - that's why there are double ended D stock, 73 stock etc. Otherwise, if you more east end units out of service than west, the west end units can't be used.
For A stock, the shuttle and the east London line needed 4car sets, and they were interchangeable with the rest of the fleet
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Post by deadmans on Oct 9, 2010 15:25:08 GMT
What's the production number up to now? 15/16?
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Post by metman on Oct 9, 2010 17:12:30 GMT
Oh!
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Post by deadmans on Oct 10, 2010 16:42:36 GMT
and still only the Gimmick train in " service"....
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Post by citysig on Oct 10, 2010 19:13:57 GMT
And there was me thinking you had turned over a new leaf and were actually embracing the new stock.
We don't have room for more than 1 train to be out and about during the day, until such times as we can use them for proper booked services.
Of course, that day got a little further over the last few nights, with a few extra miles "tested" during engineering hours ;D
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Post by prjb on Oct 10, 2010 22:56:10 GMT
and still only the Gimmick train in " service".... Gimmick - A device intended to attract business.
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Post by astock5000 on Oct 11, 2010 23:19:59 GMT
12 trains to be precise. 2 Pre-Production trains and 9 built with a 10th on the production line. How many units are expected to be delivered by the time normal services can be run with S stock?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2010 16:57:01 GMT
How many S8's are actually at Neasden now?
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Post by metman on Nov 6, 2010 10:51:50 GMT
You make a good comparison with the 378 suspension. I was also on a capitalstar this Wednesday, and the suspension is vey good indeed, especially compared to the S stock.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2010 10:51:52 GMT
I like the seating. The couches on the A stock are beginning to annoy me because it leads to people hogging more than their fair share of space.
I love being able to look down the carriages. Such a mind altering experience has no been had since the 60s. The ability to freely walk through the length of the train is excellent, particularly to get away from unsightly areas at will. If anyone is smoking, hopefully the CCTV will catch them and lead them to be booted off the tube and their Oyster card cut up in front of them.
The DVA was kind of rubbish though. It seemed very jerkily composited. Also, I'm not so keen on the phraseology "all stations Metropolitan line train". I'd prefer something like "Metropolitan line train calling at all stations", although in the present format, "all stations" is easily swapable with "semi-fast".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2010 11:12:42 GMT
I like the seating. The couches on the A stock are beginning to annoy me because it leads to people hogging more than their fair share of space. I love being able to look down the carriages. Such a mind altering experience has no been had since the 60s. The ability to freely walk through the length of the train is excellent, particularly to get away from unsightly areas at will. If anyone is smoking, hopefully the CCTV will catch them and lead them to be booted off the tube and their Oyster card cut up in front of them. The DVA was kind of rubbish though. It seemed very jerkily composited. Also, I'm not so keen on the phraseology "all stations Metropolitan line train". I'd prefer something like "Metropolitan line train calling at all stations", although in the present format, "all stations" is easily swapable with "semi-fast". I have no trouble moving through an A stock train, it simply requires a handle to be pulled down and a door pulled open like in most buildings.
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Post by Ben on Nov 6, 2010 11:54:41 GMT
The wheels are smaller than on a capital start though, aren't they? Ride quality is increased with wheel diameter. Perhaps if the low floors are to be maintained in future we could see the same risers as in tube cars for surface stock, but with NR wheelsets fitted.
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Post by metman on Nov 6, 2010 12:11:06 GMT
Don't think the 378 wheels are smaller. The S stock wheels are 700mm dia, same as the 92ts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2010 13:01:34 GMT
I have no trouble moving through an A stock train, it simply requires a handle to be pulled down and a door pulled open like in most buildings. 1) It's dangerous. 2) It's forbidden when the train is moving because it's even more dangerous. 3) It limits you to one half of the train.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2010 13:43:10 GMT
I have no trouble moving through an A stock train, it simply requires a handle to be pulled down and a door pulled open like in most buildings. 1) It's dangerous. 2) It's forbidden when the train is moving because it's even more dangerous. 3) It limits you to one half of the train. It's only dangerous in a health and safety state! 50 years ago was no less dangerous than now and I doubt they had loads of warning signs to stop people those days. A choice of 4 coaches is fine by me, I'm not that fussy.
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Post by metman on Nov 6, 2010 14:03:43 GMT
Yes, please use the platform to move from car to car rather than the connecting doors please guys!
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Post by 100andthirty on Nov 6, 2010 14:58:48 GMT
Don't think the 378 wheels are smaller. The S stock wheels are 700mm dia, same as the 92ts. D stock has 790mm wheels (new). S stock is similar if not identical. They are not as small as '92ts. Normal surface stock has wheels about 900mm in diameter (36" in old units!)
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