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Post by TMBA on Jan 15, 2011 11:31:51 GMT
Hello Peeps
Wondering if there are any images of the exterior and interior of White City Training Centre around? I was a JTRO ( Junior Trainee Railway Operative ) in the early 80's and never had the thought to take some photos, well we all never thought it would be pulled down did we.
Any images at all would be good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 14:50:28 GMT
Tried the LT Museum photos? Just a thought.
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Post by TMBA on Jan 15, 2011 15:16:41 GMT
That was my next move if anybody on here hasn't got any
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Post by auxsetreq on Jan 15, 2011 15:53:29 GMT
A few months ago I was sent a fantastic picture of the front of the school taken in the mid eighties on a sunny morning, and for the love of me I can't find it. It's exactly what you are looking for. I've just sent an E Mail to my colleague who sent it to me and asked him to resend it. If he does I'll post it up for you - Through the front door, toilets to the left, canteen that doubled up as a cinema straight ahead, mind your head on the staircase. The whole lot painted in a ghastly pink with the leaf clogged fish pond in the middle. The whole lot now flattened by a fast food burger bar and two escalators. I remember it well................
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Post by TMBA on Jan 15, 2011 15:57:54 GMT
Excellent auxsetreq & thank you for your help I'll await the email.
Is there any more anybody
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Post by auxsetreq on Jan 15, 2011 22:57:31 GMT
Admin Comment: The image is slightly over our file size limit, and quite a bit over our width limit, but I think we can allow it to slide on this occasion given the nature of the image.......Colin.Here we are, if anyone wants them the gents is through the front door and on your left.
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Post by hobbayne on Jan 17, 2011 14:31:21 GMT
I passed my guard and drivers exam in there!! ISTR it was a bit military in terms of discipline from the instructors and a much better atmosphere about it than ashfield House.
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Post by TMBA on Jan 17, 2011 15:12:22 GMT
Again many thanks auxsetreq it brings back some strong memories for me as a JTRO (Junior Trainee Railway Operative) basically an Apprentice, we spent most of our time during our 2 years of learning the railway at the Training Centre, things like Motors, Guards & Supervisors courses were taken 2 or 3 times, then we had to attend at least once a week for English & Maths courses! it was a pain to get to from Elm Park everyday and if it were closer I would say that the way it was run was good and you defiantly learnt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 22:30:53 GMT
It was 'military' and there was discipline. I don't know what hours they work at Ashfield House these days, but in 1965 and for the following few years at least it was 08.50 start and 16.30 finish (for the students), provided the work for the day had been completed. And an 08.50 start it was - not 08.51 etc., unless there was a very (very) good reason (like a lengthy failure). When I was an Apprentice in 1965, the RTC didn't teach "school" type subjects - we had Day Release, once a week. Mine was at Hammersmith College for Further Education. don't know when that ended though. Teaching New Entrants was quite a challenge, especially with those who had never seen much of an Underground railway before. Then there were those new entrants that "disappeared". These were the people that were taken out of the class mid-week, after said person's references had been checked and found not to be in order. They were never seen again .... at the RTC at least ;D
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 18, 2011 4:13:18 GMT
It was 'military' and there was discipline. I don't know what hours they work at Ashfield House these days, but in 1965 and for the following few years at least it was 08.50 start and 16.30 finish (for the students), provided the work for the day had been completed. And an 08.50 start it was - not 08.51 etc., unless there was a very (very) good reason (like a lengthy failure). When I was an Apprentice in 1965, the RTC didn't teach "school" type subjects - we had Day Release, once a week. Mine was at Hammersmith College for Further Education. don't know when that ended though. Teaching New Entrants was quite a challenge, especially with those who had never seen much of an Underground railway before. Then there were those new entrants that "disappeared". These were the people that were taken out of the class mid-week, after said person's references had been checked and found not to be in order. They were never seen again .... at the RTC at least ;D I did a couple of jobs in the RTC in 1979 and 1980, extending the fire alarms in one of the rooms full of train parts and cab mockups as I recall and fitting a couple of phones. One of my colleagues got the job of updating the telephone equipment on the model railway after signals had resignalled it. My recollection is that it was treated exactly like the real thing not just for operation but also for upgrading. I also recall the simulator which I believe went to the Science Museum, my recollection of that is that it failed so often that eventually it couldn't be operated without an AET present to deal with any failures. As for people disappearing after their references had been checked, that surely happened everywhere at the time as it was LT policy. I can recall new entrants at Whitechapel depot being called to the supervisors window after a week or so and told that they were sacked because their references didn't check out. They had to hand everything in that had been issued there and then and were escorted off the premises. I believe it was policy to go to their homes, with police if needs be, to recover anything that they did not have with them!
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Post by edwardfox on Jan 18, 2011 4:42:04 GMT
I knew a postman who got sacked over references. His previous employer stated that he had been dismissed for theft. This was totally untrue - the personnel department had mixed up two totally different people. The postman had actually left his previous employer voluntarily to take up the Post Office job offer. Despite formal confirmation from the previous employer that an error had been made, the Post Office refused to take him back. No job through no fault of his own.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2011 0:14:55 GMT
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Post by bassmike on Jan 20, 2011 14:29:16 GMT
I like the Reginald Perrin "O" in LONDON on the fascia!
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Post by thirstquensher on Jan 20, 2011 22:18:43 GMT
I like the Reginald Perrin "O" in LONDON on the fascia! If that was today, someone would claim the dipped 'O' was a branding decision! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 19:15:01 GMT
I hated that place. I remember after doing the motormans course I had to go in every day for a week and wait all day for an instructor to take me for the exam. Nail biting torture!
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Post by t697 on Jan 21, 2011 22:43:53 GMT
Even us engineers went for various courses there where some instructors seemed to be programmed to get us confused with their sometimes loose use of terminology. Instructor: How much current is there in the positive rail? Answer from bemused young engineer: Well it will depend on whether there is a train motoring and how much current it's drawing at the time. Instructor: What's the matter with you lot, you're supposed to be the clever ones! The answer's obvious. How much current - 410 Volts.
Followed by more confused debate about the difference between volts and amps.... Best depot safety course I ever attended was there though. Happy days.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 21, 2011 23:38:15 GMT
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 22, 2011 15:42:22 GMT
Sounds like a businessman ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by SE13 on Jan 22, 2011 18:29:42 GMT
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 22, 2011 18:45:38 GMT
Many years ago, over 40 in fact I used to work for the GPO. Their training centre had just moved into a skyscraper in Bunhill Row in the city. IIRC they occupied the floors around the twentieth floor. On the Friday of the weeks training the instructor looked out of the window and decided that everybody could leave early as it was foggy. On reaching the ground it was found that it was clear, the 'fog' was only low cloud. ;D ;D
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 23, 2011 0:47:18 GMT
Many years ago, over 40 in fact I used to work for the GPO. Their training centre had just moved into a skyscraper in Bunhill Row in the city. IIRC they occupied the floors around the twentieth floor. On the Friday of the weeks training the instructor looked out of the window and decided that everybody could leave early as it was foggy. On reaching the ground it was found that it was clear, the 'fog' was only low cloud. ;D ;D In my life I can recall only one similar experience, I was visiting a mate on the 16th floor of a tower block in Edmonton Green. It was pretty foul weather and a real pea souper at ground level but from the balcony of his flat all we could see was brilliant sunshine above and a green carpet below as far as the eye could see, a very eerie sight. This was in the late 1970s.
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 23, 2011 11:16:38 GMT
Many years ago, over 40 in fact I used to work for the GPO. Their training centre had just moved into a skyscraper in Bunhill Row in the city. IIRC they occupied the floors around the twentieth floor. On the Friday of the weeks training the instructor looked out of the window and decided that everybody could leave early as it was foggy. On reaching the ground it was found that it was clear, the 'fog' was only low cloud. ;D ;D In my life I can recall only one similar experience, I was visiting a mate on the 16th floor of a tower block in Edmonton Green. It was pretty foul weather and a real pea souper at ground level but from the balcony of his flat all we could see was brilliant sunshine above and a green carpet below as far as the eye could see, a very eerie sight. This was in the late 1970s. I know we're drifting a bit off-thread but, when I worked in New York City in 1983-4, a young lady of my acquaintance took me to dinner one evening in the Windows on the World restaurant at the top of the WTC building. It was a clear night, apart from broken cloud drifting by. We looked up to see clear skies and then looked down through the clouds to see the streets below. It was a beautiful evening. I was very sad to see their terrible destruction on 9/11.
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Post by 21146 on Jan 23, 2011 11:42:30 GMT
I like the Reginald Perrin "O" in LONDON on the fascia! The "LONDON TRANSPORT" bit was pettily removed during the LRT/LU era. Fair enough if replaced by a matched "LONDON UNDERGROUND" but in the event just left blank.
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Post by 21146 on Jan 23, 2011 11:46:52 GMT
In the RTC's last years, wasn't one of LBL's "low-cost" midi-bus operations (Centrewest?) based around the back or is my memory playing tricks? (Over to you, DStock7080.)
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Post by 21146 on Jan 24, 2011 14:50:50 GMT
I like the Reginald Perrin "O" in LONDON on the fascia! The "LONDON TRANSPORT" bit was pettily removed during the LRT/LU era. Fair enough if replaced by a matched "LONDON UNDERGROUND" but in the event just left blank. They were obviously ashamed of the "London Transport" brand but couldn't put anything worthwhile or better in its place. Pretty much sums up the entire LRT-era.
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Post by d7666 on Feb 3, 2011 19:49:39 GMT
Can somebody enlighten me as to where this building was located.
Despite my half century on the planet, less than the last 10% of that period has been spent in the Underground. I now work from a location in the Wood Lane area, but I only know the are as it is now i.e. Westfield shopping centre open, the current White City Sidings, Wood Lane H&C current station open, bus garage substation etc in the old power house, etc.
-- Nick
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Post by railtechnician on Feb 3, 2011 21:20:47 GMT
Can somebody enlighten me as to where this building was located. Despite my half century on the planet, less than the last 10% of that period has been spent in the Underground. I now work from a location in the Wood Lane area, but I only know the are as it is now i.e. Westfield shopping centre open, the current White City Sidings, Wood Lane H&C current station open, bus garage substation etc in the old power house, etc. -- Nick Okay, heading towards Sheperd's Bush Green from White City....... On the corner just after the H&C viaduct, the entrance to the disused Wood Lane station, next on the left the access road to the disused Central Line generating station & boiler house on the left and Wood Lane substation and depot to the right..... ......continuing along the road the RTC and then next door to that was 10A Wood Lane offices which housed Power and Training Division staffs and Wood Lane Stores at the rear.... I haven't seen the area for more than 15 years so I don't know what it looks like today, maybe Google Streets has an image! Basically the RTC stood between the depot shed area and Wood Lane if that helps further to pin it down for you. Oh yes just looked at Google Streets and that great big ugly light blue monstrosity sits on the site of the RTC and the old 10A Wood Lane.
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Post by railtechnician on Feb 4, 2011 0:17:41 GMT
Following up I can see lots of changes from when I was based at Wood Lane in 1985/6. Looking at the map of the area it looks as though the H&C viaduct has moved closer to White City station than I recall, it hasn't but the supports have been replaced. I can't say I'm keen on the colour the bridge metalwork has been painted, it looks awful and perhaps adds to the illusion of relocation. I note that access to the old generating station, Wood Lane substation and White City depot has moved from Wood Lane to around the corner off Ariel Way. Interesting to see the generating station and boiler house being refurbished with new roofs, these buildings were condemned long ago. When I began my LT career one of them was in use as a stores, of course 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit' indoor scenes were filmed in the other which was also used by LFB to mock up and burn, in a controlled fire, a part replica of Oxford Circus station following the actual station fire to understand and report in detail upon the occurence.
Network House on the corner of Ariel way next to the viaduct was the building that the Central Line Project Team worked out of during the 1990 resignalling, I recall having a couple of meetings there when I was briefly seconded to CLPT for a particular project.
Taking the street view along Wood Lane I would hate to be one of the residents looking at that Westfield blott on the landscape, they might've thought 10A Wood Lane and the RTC and depot behind were an eyesore but they are far worse off now. I wouldn't be surprised if the property prices have tumbled on the change of diorama let alone the general property downturn.
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Post by tubeprune on Feb 4, 2011 11:40:51 GMT
I hated that place. I remember after doing the motormans course I had to go in every day for a week and wait all day for an instructor to take me for the exam. Nail biting torture! I had my motorman's exam there too. Feb 1966 with Jack Russell. Anyone remember him?
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Post by d7666 on Feb 5, 2011 15:58:58 GMT
Thanks but I'm actually none the wiser for that ...
... does all that mean it was somewhere fpr,ming a part of what is now Westfield .
I know where ten bee is but 10A and the rest are gone, except for the old power house.
-- Nick
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