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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 9:31:17 GMT
This morning, around 7:45am the train I was in stopped right before entering Baker Street station (Jubilee southbound platform) and suddenly there was a huge flow of air around the train and inside the train too. The air flow was so fast that there was whistling (like at high speed trains) and my ears were blocked (similar to the ear blocking one can get when the tube trains surface at Baron's Court). It went on for about 15 seconds - then stopped, and then the train continued into the station. Inside the station there was a fog-like atmosphere - it wasn't smoke because it did not smell, and not dust because it did not cause me to sneeze or cough or anything. Now the question - what the hell was that?
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 5, 2011 10:35:28 GMT
Sounds like a sudden pressure change, you get the same effect when an airliner depressurises. As to what caused it I have no idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 17:27:41 GMT
Just the dust moving around alot more now the new signalling is in place which makes the trains much faster
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 17:43:23 GMT
I highly doubt that - it did not feel like dust, and it was the only time I saw this type of thing in the air at Baker Street. It certainly wasn't there later today, and the trains are just as fast. Not to mention that it does not explain sudden air movement.
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Post by metman on Jan 5, 2011 17:44:18 GMT
A Ghost? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 18:04:26 GMT
Perhaps Sherlock Holmes should be called in to investigate .... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 18:09:46 GMT
The air pressure you experienced was probably from one of the ventilation shafts along that section, there is a massive change in air pressure from the tube tunnel and the air comming in from the shaft. I have no idea what the fog would have been though.
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Post by phillw48 on Jan 5, 2011 18:33:34 GMT
The fog is a result of a sudden drop in air pressure. I am not sure of the science involved but I think that the moisture in the air reacts to a sudden drop in air pressure by condensing hence the fog. This is particularly common in enclosed spaces with high humidity, such as the Tube lines.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2011 19:24:07 GMT
It was quite chilly this morning... so the passing of trains below might have pulled the fog above the vent shaft down to the tunnel... there being a small pocket of cold air below and immediately aside the shaft, meant the fog did not disperse as quickly as it might have done.
I have seen something similar at the open end of Paddington, granted the Circle line platforms are nearer the surface and more open, but it was quite unusual to see.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 5, 2011 21:23:45 GMT
The fog is a result of a sudden drop in air pressure. I am not sure of the science involved but I think that the moisture in the air reacts to a sudden drop in air pressure by condensing hence the fog. This is particularly common in enclosed spaces with high humidity, such as the Tube lines. A rapid change in air pressure is, to a good approximation, "adiabatic" - we have a closed system with no net energy gain or loss - only transfers within the system. The pressure drop manifests as a rapid expansion, the kinetic energy for which comes from the air itself, resulting in a cooling of the air. (This is also the principle on which a fridge works) The amount of moisture that can be held in the air depends on its temperature - if the temperature falls below the dew point (the point at which the actual amount of moisture present is equal to the maximum) the excess moisture starts to condense. Low pressure can cause fogging in other circumstances too - fog can sometimes be seen above an aircraft wing. Two impressive examples here and hereThe cloud chamber, used for detecting subatomic particles, also uses the same principle. Physics lesson over (I should point out that although I studied for an MSc in meteorology, I didn't pass!)
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Post by edwardfox on Jan 5, 2011 22:12:56 GMT
Speaking of Sherlock Holmes, I've never known the word "precipitated" used in such a context.
Aldgate tube station plays an important role in the Sherlock Holmes story The Adventure of the Bruce-Partington Plans (published in the anthology His Last Bow).
In the story, the body of a junior clerk named Cadogan West is found on the tracks outside Aldgate station, with a number of stolen plans for the Bruce-Partington submarine in his pocket. It seems clear enough that "the man, dead or alive, either fell or was precipitated from a train." But why, wonders Holmes, did the dead man not have a ticket?
It turns out that the body was placed on top of a train carriage before it reached Aldgate, via a window in a house on a cutting overlooking the Metropolitan Line. Holmes realises that the body only fell off the carriage roof when the train was jolted by the dense concentration of points at Aldgate.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 6, 2011 13:20:23 GMT
The murder and disposal of the body took place near Gloucester Road - 13 Caulfield Gardens - someone has even identified the actual location as 118 Cromwell Road , on the north side of the road, near the junction with Grenville Place (link is approximate as there are no buildings surviving between 114 and 132). The body would have been deposited on the roof of a clockwise Circle train waiting for access to the Cromwell Curve and fell off as it approached Aldgate. Although the Metropolitan is referred to throughout, the track in question, right next to the houses, was only used by District trains (the Met used its own parallel tracks). The story, published in 1908, is actually set in 1895. Although Jensen says that Gloucester Road station did not take that name until 1907 (to match that of the new GNPBR station next door) it was previously "Brompton (Gloucester Road)", so not a complete anachronism. (EDIT) The victim's name was Cadogan West (sounds like a good name for a tube station!) Fortuitously, this was parked opposite the site of 118 Cromwell road when the Street view car passed by.
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Post by edwardfox on Jan 6, 2011 14:17:44 GMT
Thanks Mr. Flyer. Obviously no fare dodgers in those days.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 6, 2011 14:46:01 GMT
Obviously no fare dodgers in those days. Quite - the absence of a ticket was taken by Holmes to suggest of only two possible explanations: either his murderer stole it from him (perhaps to conceal their intended destination) or that he arrived on the railway other than by a station.
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Post by Dmitri on Jan 6, 2011 16:32:16 GMT
Thanks Mr. Flyer. Obviously no fare dodgers in those days. Not really much, I think: Anyhow, you won't expect fare dodging from someone who has "reputation of ... a straight, honest man" and buys a ticket even when shaken and in hurry:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2011 21:25:20 GMT
I expect the filth / dust is being sucked up from the dirty Jub to Bakerloo linking tunnels, which a few years ago were thick with dust. I don't think the old tunnel cleaning train ever made it down those link tunnels.
I think the new ATO trains speed and the fact they get much closer must be causing a new suction effect not seen previously there and I suppose it will eventually clear itself up.
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