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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 2, 2011 17:33:45 GMT
I've had a quick search but can't see that this has already been mentioned/discussed.
On the Sunday after the Christmas Meet I took the non-member to see various bits of UndergrounD-ness, including half an hour or so watching the goings on at Earl's Court.
I was explaining the Tripcock Testers to the non-member and we watched them in operation. However he asked a question I couldn't answer, are the testers interlocked with the signalling system?
We thought that they would, on the basis that it wouldn't look good at the inquiry, but is there a definitive answer out there?
If they are interlocked, is there any indication of a failed trip-cock test (other than the train being tripped with an out-of-gauge arm)?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2011 17:49:54 GMT
From Tubeprune's website:
'If the tripcock arm passes through the gauge successfully, the arm will depress a lightly sprung ramp. As the ramp depresses, a circuit is completed to indicate the test was successful. The indication consists of a small light (either white, blue or purple, depending on location) mounted near the starting signal. The light is switched on automatically as the train approaches the tester and the light will go out if the ramp is depressed correctly.'
However there is no mention of interlocking, or the lack of such.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 2, 2011 18:03:04 GMT
I was able to explain how they worked, and we watched the "slightly whiter than violet" indicators go out. Every time though the associated signal was red; if a train fails to depress the ramp, can the signal still clear without some fancy jiggery-pokery (smashing glass, breaking seals etc...)?
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Post by Colin on Jan 2, 2011 18:12:46 GMT
No, trip cock testers are not interlocked with the signalling - signal will go green even if a train fails a trip cock test.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 2, 2011 18:24:09 GMT
So the whole safety of the trip-cock is based on the knowledge of one person?
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Post by Colin on Jan 2, 2011 18:39:45 GMT
Pretty much, though there are indications given in relevant signal cabins/control rooms so a failed test shouldn't go unnoticed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2011 23:58:45 GMT
If a train fails the tester the light will remain on but as soon as the replacing track circuit (next one) after the tripcock tester has dropped a alarm and indication should come on in the room controlling that area. Then the train is usually taken straight to the nearest depot to be checked. We usually only get called if two or more trains fail on the tester or if the same train passes on another tester
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 9:44:49 GMT
No, trip cock testers are not interlocked with the signalling - signal will go green even if a train fails a trip cock test. Not true at Finsbury Park engineers trains crossing from the Vic to the Picadilly Line the signal will not clear VK11(2) if the tripcock has not been proved
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 3, 2011 9:58:47 GMT
No, trip cock testers are not interlocked with the signalling - signal will go green even if a train fails a trip cock test. Not true at Finsbury Park engineers trains crossing from the Vic to the Picadilly Line the signal will not clear VK11(2) if the tripcock has not been proved Ah but of course that is because no tripcocks are used on the Victoria line. Thus a train crossing onto the Picc must be proved to have its tripcock set. I suspect similar arrangements were in place at Ealing Broadway for trains crossing to the District though I don't know.
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Post by Colin on Jan 3, 2011 9:59:59 GMT
Well as with everything on LU, there's always an exception that proves the rule. This is a rare exception though - trip dock testers are not routinely interlocked with the signalling system so to say I'm wrong in this instance isn't actually true.
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Post by Tom on Jan 3, 2011 12:26:44 GMT
Not true at Finsbury Park engineers trains crossing from the Vic to the Picadilly Line the signal will not clear VK11(2) if the tripcock has not been proved Ah but of course that is because no tripcocks are used on the Victoria line. Thus a train crossing onto the Picc must be proved to have its tripcock set. I suspect similar arrangements were in place at Ealing Broadway for trains crossing to the District though I don't know. Oddly enough, that wasn't the case! EAB2056 could clear onto the District even without the tripcock detected. If we had decided to retain the link that would have been almost certainly altered to match the Finsbury Park arrangement.
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Post by 1018509 on Apr 26, 2011 20:22:24 GMT
Not forgetting of course that all tripcocks are tested for integrity and operation at least once every 24 hours.
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 27, 2011 5:28:09 GMT
Not forgetting of course that all tripcocks are tested for integrity and operation at least once every 24 hours. Yep and changed quite frequently as a result, I changed those at Acton Town quite a few times, especially the one on the WB local. I changed both at Wood Green, the one on the EB being most troublesome as I recall. With regard to being interlocked with the signalling system the function of the tripcock tester is not interlocked, however, the tester itself is interlocked in order to prevent back tripping of trains performing reverse direction movements. Thus there are two basic types of tripcock tester, those with and those without motors. Those with motors are required to pull down the ramp when reverse direction movements are cleared over them such as movements into and out of the sidings at Acton. My recollection is that all four tripcock testers at Acton have motors whereas only the WB one at Wood Green has a motor, there being no move from the siding to the EB. Thus the signalling lowers tripcock ramps just as it does trainstop arms as required when clearing reverse routes over them. I don't think anyone asked the question but there is the answer !
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Post by roythebus on Jun 12, 2011 13:52:09 GMT
Remember too there were TC testers at Kings Cross York Way and somewhere at the boundary with the LM and widened lines so any BR stock entering LT territory had to have a trip cock operative or a secondman.
Neither the testers or the secondman were interlocked with the signals!
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