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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 23:16:04 GMT
I am now starting on the signalling for my Croxley WRD layout, however I am missing one bit of info. When and what is the bottom aspect on this signal used for? www.signalbox.org/gallery/lm/harrow2.htm (The signal in front of Harrow No2 Box on this page.) Thanks in advance. Xerces Fobe
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 23, 2010 11:26:16 GMT
The lower aspects on the Harrow signal are Red over Yellow used for 'calling-on' - I've got an LMS journal article
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2010 11:27:17 GMT
The main searchlight aspect at the top only uses a single filament lamp and therefore the filament burning out would leave a blank signal. The circuitry was arranged that when the signal displays a red aspect (also the yellow aspect between 1933 and 1936) that the red marker light also would show in the upper of the two lower aspects. Therefore if the searchlight was blank then a red aspect would show for red (or yellow as shown above) positions of the searchlight mechanisms. The lowest aspect was the best feature of this system and comprised of a reduced size yellow aspect as a call-on facility. A train arriving at a red signal (automatic or semi automatic working in auto) would occupy the berth track circuit. After an 80 second timer had operated, the red marker light would go out and the call-on light up. This facility worked at all times irrespective of whether the signal had failed or not and allowed for some very interesting combinations of trains nose to tail, it could be said to be true passenger permissive. There were other signals where the yellow call-on was not provided and an example is seen at Watford High St where owing to the steep gradient to Watford Jcn it was advisable not to follow as it was possible to come to a stand over the catch points. At Croxley Green Jcn the only searchlights provided only had the red marker lights as no auto working was possible and the signals reading on and off the deport were mechanical.
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Post by londonse on Nov 23, 2010 11:28:55 GMT
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 23, 2010 12:05:31 GMT
Excellent Paul - I was going to give the link to Clive DW Feather[...]'s stuff, and the article (if you want it) is in LMS Journal No 27. It is a good read in its own right.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2010 12:07:48 GMT
Thanks guys for the feedback. The signal on the London bound platform at Watford High Street was a junction signal for the Croxley Green branch and that appeals to have a calling on signal.
So if I am gong to place a junction signal on the headshunt that serve the depot on my layout would it have a call on signal of just display a red/orange aspect on the main signal?
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 23, 2010 12:26:32 GMT
Does this help?: from the 1981 Bakerloo Section 11 Appendix Supplement. EDIT: AFAIAA Croxley Green Junction stayed semaphore until remodelling: but I'm willing to be corrected on that. ie. The New lines signalling didn't go out that far until the simplification with the GPL 'S1' and the addition of WJ 128 - which I suspect came along with the opening of Watfrod PSB and the ingenious ARS circuitry.
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Post by Ben on Nov 23, 2010 15:03:15 GMT
Thats an excellent extract MRFS, does the Bloos supplement contain any more disgrams of the path to Watford?
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 23, 2010 15:14:26 GMT
Thats an excellent extract MRFS, does the Bloos supplement contain any more disgrams of the path to Watford? No, unfortunately, but if you hang on a tick; I've got something up my sleeve! Wait and see......
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 23, 2010 15:32:31 GMT
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 23, 2010 15:32:36 GMT
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Post by Ben on Nov 23, 2010 16:13:15 GMT
Capital, tvm! Could stare and muse at that kind of thing for hours. 26 points at Willesden look odd, whats the deal around the sand draggy bit?
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 23, 2010 16:16:27 GMT
Capital, tvm! Could stare and muse at that kind of thing for hours. 26 points at Willesden look odd, whats the deal around the sand draggy bit? Trailing traps IIRC to stop something breaking away and surprising the station staff.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2010 21:13:13 GMT
Thanks for all the info - great track/signal plans I will have ago at building the signals this weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2010 2:02:08 GMT
Thanks guys for the feedback. The signal on the London bound platform at Watford High Street was a junction signal for the Croxley Green branch and that appeals to have a calling on signal. So if I am gong to place a junction signal on the headshunt that serve the depot on my layout would it have a call on signal of just display a red/orange aspect on the main signal? Xerces Fobe The call on actually applies to the Up New Line and not the branch or depot the only auto working applied towards the up New Line. Whilst it was controlled by Watford High Street the left hand route only applied towards Croxley Green Jcn and absoulute block was in force to and from there. When Watford Jcn PSB took over the left hand route applied to the Crosley Green branch and a separate position light shunt signal was provided to aply to the depot line and then later also to Cardiff Road power station. The correct signal should be a searchlight and red only marker and a mechanical shunt at the base of the signal or more correctly a mechanical semaphore with shunt signal.
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