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Post by londonse on Sept 5, 2010 9:55:26 GMT
When the Bakerloo ran to Watford 4 trains used the depot, surely this was not always the case? Anyone know if there were more trains using the depot in years gone by.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 11:03:07 GMT
Prior to the service cut backs of the mid 60's their was significently more trains stabled at Croxley Green shed. During the winter of 1962 the following trains were entering traffic:
Mon - Fri 51 - 60 (10 trains) also a mid day stabler 86 was accomdated between peaks that was also usder for the Neasden stores train as required.
Sat 51 - 56 (6 trains)
Sun 51- 53 (3 trains)
EDIT: By Jun 65 it had reduced to:
Mon - Fri 51 - 56 (6 trains) and no midday stabler.
Sat & Sun - Nil
And from Mar 67 it finally reduced to 4 trains through to final withdrawl in the mid 80's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 16:38:32 GMT
Was Croxley a actual depot or just a stabling point for trains.? I am pretty certain that it was a proper depot sometime in the past.
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Post by Ben on Sept 5, 2010 16:53:25 GMT
It was only a BR depot, wasnt it? The Bakerloo only stabled there, maybe...
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Post by mrjrt on Sept 5, 2010 17:55:59 GMT
It was built as the depot for the Watford and Rickmansworth Railway, which ran from Watford Junction (which is how it originally got it's name) to Rickmansworth, with just one intermediate station, Watford High Street. They added a branch to Croxley Green to try and drum up business, but it was a fairly lost cause until it was bought up by the mainline and linked to their new local lines at Bushey on a shiny new viaduct. ...so yes, BR depot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 21:23:51 GMT
Was Croxley a actual depot or just a stabling point for trains.? I am pretty certain that it was a proper depot sometime in the past. The depot carried out light maintenance tasks on the Oerlikon, LMS 3-car and later Class 501 EMUs. The tube stock was stabled there however I have it on good authority that LT Stores trains did visit the depot, which would indicate that potentially maintenance at some level was carried out on the tube stock. According to the West of Watford Book ( F .W. Goudie & Douglas Stuckey) Full size stock , particularly the more powerful GEC motor cars put an unacceptable load on the Bushey power sub-station, so the LMS retained nine cars of the original LNWR/London Electric Railway electric tube stock to handle the Croxley and Rickmansworth local services when it was withdrawn from the Euston-Watford route in 1930/31.The stock survived until the outbreak of war in 1939." Therefore one could surmise that Underground stock, albeit owned and operated by the LMS was maintained at Croxley Green depot Xerces Fobe
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 5, 2010 21:28:52 GMT
*disappears into library*
(this is delaying another TT query, though!)
1931: Sats. Excepted 8 starters all out in the morning, plus 2x (3+3) lunchtime starters and 2x (3+3) stablers at afternoon tea-time. [1] 8 night stablers. Saturdays Only 8 out first thing, 8 stable last thing Suns 4 out morning, 4 trundle back to snooze evening.
1935: broadly similar although for 8 above read 10 and for 4 above read 3.
*deeper rummage*
(and move post to historical)
1916: 6 out first thing and stable last thing M-F and Sats. Nothing on Sundays.
I'm expecting an interwar LMS WTT to turn up soon - when that arrives I'll see what that adds.
[1]ie. two three-cars coupled.
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 5, 2010 22:11:01 GMT
however I have it on good authority that LT Stores trains did visit the depot, which would indicate that potentially maintenance at some level was carried out on the tube stock. Aye - there were booked paths off Earls Court, and I'm pretty sure that I've seen something in a Traffic Notice/Circular too about Stores paths.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 22:56:24 GMT
however I have it on good authority that LT Stores trains did visit the depot, which would indicate that potentially maintenance at some level was carried out on the tube stock. Aye - there were booked paths off Earls Court, and I'm pretty sure that I've seen something in a Traffic Notice/Circular too about Stores paths. Interesting- do you know what the routing was? Xerces Fobe
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Post by roythebus on Sept 5, 2010 23:15:40 GMT
It was indeed a "depot" as far as train crew were concerned. I was going to move there in1973 after getting married and moving out to Northampton.
On the Bakerloo tour of the Met in 1973, the DI (now area manager) Harry the Hat, convinced me to move to Ricky instead, which i did.
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 5, 2010 23:23:33 GMT
Interesting- do you know what the routing was? Hmm, Addison Road, North Pole and Mitre Bridge I think.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2010 14:15:46 GMT
Interesting- do you know what the routing was? Hmm, Addison Road, North Pole and Mitre Bridge I think. Correct so far, then left hand out at Mitre Bridge Jn to Willesden High Level and Kensal Green Jn (reverse) and New Line Curve to Willesden New and onwards via Colne Jn to the depot. Also used to transfer Bakerloo stock to Acton Works prior to 1939 when the Stanmore branch opened.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2010 20:01:14 GMT
What motive power worked these trains over the NLR, I assume it was electric? When was the 3/4 rail removed north of Addison Road (Kensington Olympia) as this must have curtailed this service if it electric traction was used and do any photos exist of these workings?
I have just being speaking with Douglas Stuckey (West of Watford book) and he informs me that there were a number of early morning “special” services from the Watford end of the line run by both the LMS and the Bakerloo line can anyone shed any light on these?
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 6, 2010 22:02:41 GMT
What sort of 'specials'?The stores and stock transfers paths seem to have been timed so that the crew arrived in time for a brew up at their destination depot (def. centred around tea break time).
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Post by slugabed on Sept 7, 2010 7:18:42 GMT
As I understand it,the conductor rails were removed after the curtailment of the Middle Circle service due to "enemy action" in 1940,though they may have lain unused for a few years...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2010 7:24:50 GMT
What sort of 'specials'?The stores and stock transfers paths seem to have been timed so that the crew arrived in time for a brew up at their destination depot (def. centred around tea break time). My understanding is that these specials were early morning workings to London from the Watford area. Sorry I cannot be more specific as this is based on anecdotal evidence from a 3rd party. Xerces Fobe
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 10, 2010 17:19:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 21:02:55 GMT
Thanks for this very interesting - any idea which year this timetable is from?
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 10, 2010 22:04:59 GMT
1923; I think. Arrived this morning - need to drool over it further!
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Post by angelislington on Sept 10, 2010 22:39:09 GMT
Commencing November 2nd, 1924.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 22:47:34 GMT
Mainly Oerlikon EMU workings I would imagine then!
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 11, 2010 0:43:59 GMT
Mainly Oerlikon EMU workings I would imagine then! Yeah - if my lovely SO had looked a bit further, she could have found Lakerboo bits from the 20s and the 30s.
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Post by ruislip on Sept 11, 2010 3:21:33 GMT
Mainly Oerlikon EMU workings I would imagine then! Xerces Fobe I've seen pictures of the Oerlikons. Didn't the Met Railway have similar rolling stock?
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 11, 2010 10:29:29 GMT
I've seen pictures of the Oerlikons. Didn't the Met Railway have similar rolling stock? I always think the 'GEC' stock were rather like the 'MW' or 'MV' stock on the Met.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2010 20:39:16 GMT
I've seen pictures of the Oerlikons. Didn't the Met Railway have similar rolling stock? I always think the 'GEC' stock were rather like the 'MW' or 'MV' stock on the Met. Totally agree, the similarities have also been noted in the model railway world as well in that Graham Farisho 00 LMS suburban coaches can make a good starting point for models of both types of unit. Xerces Fobe
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Post by metman on Sept 11, 2010 22:37:18 GMT
They were pretty standard suburban coaches at the time. The Met stock was shorter of course and used more wood. The MW/Dreadnought stock also had rounded door tops due to the tunnel running....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2010 21:54:34 GMT
They were pretty standard suburban coaches at the time. The Met stock was shorter of course and used more wood. The MW/Dreadnought stock also had rounded door tops due to the tunnel running.... Whilst the GEC sets were fairly standard compartment stock, the Oerlikon and Siemens sets were far from standard and levels of comfort were greater than any compartment stock. Imagine the outcry if the Met had put open saloons on the Chesham and Aylesbury services, but then we got A60's. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2010 18:11:17 GMT
If only the Class 378's had been fitted out like the Oerlikon's, but with more modern fire resistant materials
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Post by londonse on Sept 18, 2010 7:49:09 GMT
Thanks everyone for all the replies, lots of interesting info.
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Post by harlesden on Sept 18, 2010 9:04:45 GMT
1923; I think. Arrived this morning - need to drool over it further! Commencing November 2nd, 1924. Seems to be some joint drooling going on here.
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