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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 23, 2010 21:09:06 GMT
Can I book one via the internet, you sell it and date it: send it for a ride and pop it in the post? Donation to the 'Rheneas' fund? 7 1/4p by paypal then please! |
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Post by jacko1 on Sept 25, 2010 12:58:47 GMT
was the original "kenny bell" that ran once a day in br days,a parli train? that ran from clapham jnc to kenny o.,as i remember
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Post by Oracle on Sept 25, 2010 17:10:04 GMT
The 'Kenny Belle' was reputedly mainly intended to serve the GPO [GENERAL POST OFFICE] office near Olympia and ran for years as an unadvertised service. All manner of stock has been used since it was steam-hauled, including SR DEMUs and Class 33 + 4TC. I think that they also used WR DMMUs at one stage?
Those too young to remember might be interested to know that Olympia (District) only operated generally when there was an exhibition on. I am sure that it was an LMR-run one though the only passenger service ran from the SR. However, apart from the KB, there was also a Motorail service and when that ceased, the station could be pretty desolate. No links were made by Underground to the Motorail obviously but there was a service laid on when trains were diverted from one of the other London termini. That all said I suppose that it was no a 'Parliamentary' as there were in the past cross-regional trains to the south coast that ran through Olympia.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2010 20:27:14 GMT
ISTR that the Kenny Belle ran twice daily in each direction, with appropriate ECS workings, and that while it was provided for the benefit of PO Savings Bank staff, anybody could use it. It was run by the SR (as a successor to the pre-war 'normal' Clapham Jn-Kensington Addison Road Southern Railway service), who consequently (and somewhat ironically) ran London's last steam suburban service.
For many years most of the West London Line (including Olympia) was part of the Western Region, but it was at some stage transferred to the LMR.
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Post by Tom on Sept 25, 2010 23:12:08 GMT
I think that they also used WR DMMUs at one stage? Those too young to remember might be interested to know that Olympia (District) only operated generally when there was an exhibition on. I remember travelling on a class 117 between Willesden and Clapham in about 1994. I also remember the days of the exhibition only service - is the sign directing passengers to buses at Earl's Court still there? |
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Post by nickf on Sept 26, 2010 6:20:17 GMT
ISTR that the Kenny Belle ran twice daily in each direction, with appropriate ECS workings, and that while it was provided for the benefit of PO Savings Bank staff, anybody could use it. It was run by the SR (as a successor to the pre-war 'normal' Clapham Jn-Kensington Addison Road Southern Railway service), who consequently (and somewhat ironically) ran London's last steam suburban service. For many years most of the West London Line (including Olympia) was part of the Western Region, but it was at some stage transferred to the LMR. I believe that a legacy of GWR working there was some mixed gauge sidings. Long gone now, I suppose. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 10:29:06 GMT
The 'Kenny Belle' survived as a steam working up until the last Friday of Southern steam on the 7th of July '67. 41319 (am)and 82019 (pm) doing the honours (info from John Birds 'Southern Steam Sunset'. A finer book on the last rites of SR Steam could not exist). After that the service ran with the cobbled together TC set 601 made from COR and PAN vehicles. When this was scrapped 4TC sets were used. I remember that by 1993 it had become a DEMU service as I asked the Driver nicely if I could film the route from the cab both ways. I was en route to Waterloo during my Drivers course and went early in the off-chance that he would be kind. It wouldn't happen now!
How much of the West London Line has LT operated over during the past? I know there used to be a MET service from Kensington Addison Road to Edgeware Road. What route did this take? Thanks guys.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 14:19:54 GMT
I believe that a legacy of GWR working there was some mixed gauge sidings. Long gone now, I suppose. The GWR was a partner in both the West London Railway and the West London Extension (boundary was Kensington A.Rd), so mixed gauge extended from North Pole Jn all the way to Clapham Jn; and also round into Victoria Station, of which the GWR was a part owner. How much of the West London Line has LT operated over during the past? I know there used to be a MET service from Kensington Addison Road to Edgeware Road. What route did this take? Thanks guys. The Met service from Edgeware Road ran via Paddington and the H&C, then over an H&C spur from Latimer Road to Uxbridge Road (WLR, now Shepherds Bush) - this spur was closed and the service withdrawn in 1940. This was the only LT service on the WL until the start of the District Service to Olympia (as ARd had become) post war: the pre 1940 service from Earls Court via ARd to Willesden Jn was LMSR (ex LNWR) - although when first electrified c1914 they used hired MDR stock. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 18:16:18 GMT
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Post by andypurk on Sept 26, 2010 20:20:10 GMT
The evening service would be instead of the mid day service, not in addition to it. |
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Post by Oracle on Sept 27, 2010 6:36:12 GMT
That doc has been widely discussed ... it;s being mentioned on another forum as I type. It has been suggested where the 2-car unit will come from.
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Post by nickf on Sept 27, 2010 8:05:22 GMT
I believe that a legacy of GWR working there was some mixed gauge sidings. Long gone now, I suppose. The GWR was a partner in both the West London Railway and the West London Extension (boundary was Kensington A.Rd), so mixed gauge extended from North Pole Jn all the way to Clapham Jn; and also round into Victoria Station, of which the GWR was a part owner. It seems that remnants of the broad gauge survived at Kensington until the mid 1970s. Some stone sleepers and a buffer stop were found and rescued. (The West London Joint Railways by J.B. Atkinson) |
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 25, 2010 21:52:30 GMT
Can I book one via the internet, you sell it and date it: send it for a ride and pop it in the post? Donation to the 'Rheneas' fund?  The 'Duncan' fund awaits your contribution; original in the post. |
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Post by roythebus on Nov 25, 2010 23:52:56 GMT
Son of roythebus works as a rolling stock engineer at Selhurst and told me a while ago that the original proposal was to use a Marsh line 2 car DMU for the Ealing-Wandsworth Road service. NR reckoned there would be problems if it broke down on the WR as nothing there would couple up to it, and SR didn't have a spare unit anyway. Crews already had limited route knowledge to Ealing Bdwy.
The engineers done a test run in their works van to see how long it would take by road from SH to EB, and found it was quicker to get from SH to St.Leonards! so that project was put on hold for a while.
Meanwhile, I';ll ask him if he's heard any more about the project. It could be the latest idea is to use a 2 car EMU for the service.
I've got some 8mm cine of the Kenny Belle in steam days with a very grubby standard 2-6-4T and a 4 car suburban set, taken in 1967.
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Post by andypurk on Nov 26, 2010 0:37:38 GMT
Son of roythebus works as a rolling stock engineer at Selhurst and told me a while ago that the original proposal was to use a Marsh line 2 car DMU for the Ealing-Wandsworth Road service. NR reckoned there would be problems if it broke down on the WR as nothing there would couple up to it, and SR didn't have a spare unit anyway. Crews already had limited route knowledge to Ealing Bdwy. SR did have a diesel unit available at the time of the original path, as it was used for route learning and I saw it heading for Ealing Broadway a couple of times around a year ago. The Network Rail concerns came at pretty much the last minute and are the reason that the fresh path is now in the evening. The lack of compatible couplings is not completely true either, as the class 360/2 units used on the Heathrow Connect service also have the same Dellner couplings and the reversal would be off the mainline in a siding at West Ealing (reversal being the most likely time for problems with the unit). The two car DMUs are not limited to the Marsh line, several are used on the Uckfield line each day. They can't use an EMU as the route from Willesden West London Junction to Acton is not electrified (and anyway there are no 2 car dual-voltage units). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2010 16:23:45 GMT
And even the dual voltage units don't run on diesel between West London Jcn and Acton Main Line, hence the need for 171 units.
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