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Post by matthewthomas on Aug 29, 2005 21:10:01 GMT
Hi Guys.
I was wondering what happens in the following situations?
1) A passenger breaks into a driving cab area which is not being used at the time (i.e. the end of the train)?
2) What happens if a passenger breaks into a cab where thedriver is in the process of operating the train?
Do either of these happen at all?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2005 21:14:21 GMT
1) A passenger breaks into a driving cab area which is not being used at the time (i.e. the end of the train)? You get whats called an 'Intruder Alarm', which will tell you someone has entered the cab. Every Stock has this, apart from the D stock (incl the refurbs). You would then go back at the next station to mae sure eveyhing is OK. Some stock also has intruder alarms for the shunting control panel and various other hatches where equipment is (inside the carriage) 2) What happens if a passenger breaks into a cab where thedriver is in the process of operating the train? Dont know TBH. I hve never had experience of this, apart from DMTs and the like coming in. I suppose it depends on why they are trying to get in, as if it is an emergency, there could be a good reason for doing it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2005 0:25:21 GMT
Rear (not in use) cabs were always being broken into on the District line, quite simply because the kids knew there are no alarms fitted.
However, station staff and drivers passing in the opposite direction always keep an eye on what's happening at the rear of the trains, and we also regularly have BTP (uniformed and plain-clothes) travelling on our trains.
I've never had a rear cab broken into for quite a while now!
The only time I've heard of a driving cab in use being broken into was one of our female drivers on New Years Eve who had her cab broken into by a group of drunken plebs. Not sure what happened, but the driver said she wouldn't be volunteering for NY Eve again.
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Post by Christopher J on Aug 30, 2005 1:23:54 GMT
Personally if I were a Train Operator and the cab I was operating in was broken into, I would drop the handle and refuse to carry on until the intruder(s) leaves the cab. (and call for the BTP to be arranged to attend at the next station.  ) If they tried to attack me, I'd take the Control Key/RKL220 out and hide them so that under no circumstances would they be able to take control of the Train if I was injured or knocked unconscious. All above is the action I would take if I was a situation where an unauthorised person entered the cab, is there an official procedure to deal with things of this nature? |
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Post by q8 on Aug 30, 2005 8:17:40 GMT
In my time there was one motorman at Acton had his own security measures. He used to have one of those long elasticky things that you buy in Halfords with a hook on each end.
He'd hook one end around the handbrake and the other round the door handle and no-one could get in the cab.
This was before cab door locks of course.
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Post by Phil on Aug 30, 2005 8:38:17 GMT
Remind me of an incident on WSR a couple of years ago. DMU stabled in platform overnight, station staff book on and find three lads (18ish) in rear cab: they had used the standard procedure for unlocking it when you forget your carriage key. ;D ;D ;D. Anyway the station man asks them to leave and gets a mouthful of abuse. Next, station master tries and gets the same thing. He goes and gets one of the steam firemen, 6ft 3in and built like a brick sh*thouse. Threatens to pull them out and has to retire when all three start moving at once.
By this time I had booked on as driver. Do prep, start up, get air and the brake from the other end (which is the end I would have used anyway).
Down to back cab- open door and say 'right lads you've had your fun, now be on your way please'. Up gets all three and meekly leave cab: problem over
Now, those of you that met me will know I am not that large, so how did that work? Again, as many of you now know I was a teacher, and they say teachers have a special voice which when used demands obedience.
"It's not what you say but the way that you say it, that's what gets results!"
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Post by q8 on Aug 30, 2005 8:53:31 GMT
Yes the tongue can hit harder than the fist.
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Post by igelkotten on Aug 30, 2005 14:39:38 GMT
Those times I have had intruders in my cab whilst driving, it has always been the start of some very ugly scenes of violence. Chris, may I suggest you amend your list to read "run like hell and save your skin".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2005 16:16:15 GMT
Personally if I were a Train Operator and the cab I was operating in was broken into, I would drop the handle and refuse to carry on until the intruder(s) leaves the cab. (and call for the BTP to be arranged to attend at the next station. ) If you were to refuse to move the train, why would you call for BTP assitance at the next station??!! If they tried to attack me, I'd take the Control Key/RKL220 out and hide them so that under no circumstances would they be able to take control of the Train if I was injured or knocked unconscious. One or the other would be fine, seeing as you need both Keys to make the train go forward. Obviously if the T/op wants to take both keys out they can! "It's not what you say but the way that you say it, that's what gets results!" That is sound advice. Cant say anything better than that, as that is very true. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2005 16:58:35 GMT
In 22 years I've always done the shifts where trouble lurks, dead lates and nights. In that time no one has ever tried to enter my cab and I know of very few cases where this has happened to anyone else. In short intruders entering occupied drivers cabs is a very rare thing and certainly nothing I worry about.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 30, 2005 18:33:09 GMT
Remember, on C Stock before they were refurbished and had the Spring Applied Parking Brake fitted, there was that handy length of pipe inside the offside cab cupboard that was for pumping on the manual hydraulic parking brake?
It was also just the right length to place on the top of the inside 'J' door handle to prevent it from opening!
Very useful when Chelsea were playing at home!
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Post by yorkie on Aug 31, 2005 22:44:10 GMT
An intruder once got into a GNER cab near York and put the brakes on, the driver got out and went to the other end and the intruder went to the front cab, or something like that.
This was about a year ago (or less), but I can't find the news report now.
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Post by Christopher J on Aug 31, 2005 22:59:32 GMT
An intruder once got into a GNER cab near York and put the brakes on, the driver got out and went to the other end and the intruder went to the front cab, or something like that. This was about a year ago (or less), but I can't find the news report now. IIRC this happened on a London bound 225 set so the intrurder would of been in the 91 (Locomotive) if he was in the rear Cab (unless GNER have some 225 sets the wrong way around with 91s at the London end and DVTs at the country end of the Train, but I've never seen this) and it's not possible to get from the 91 to the Mark 4s/DVT without leaving the Train so he must of trespassed on the track at one point or another to get to the front DVT cab. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2005 23:49:26 GMT
and it's not possible to get from the 91 to the Mark 4s/DVT without leaving the Train so he must of trespassed on the track at one point or another to get to the front DVT cab. They might have entered the cab at a station ?? |
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Post by Christopher J on Aug 31, 2005 23:51:40 GMT
and it's not possible to get from the 91 to the Mark 4s/DVT without leaving the Train so he must of trespassed on the track at one point or another to get to the front DVT cab. They might have entered the cab at a station ?? Yes, and AFAIK this is what happened (I think), but what I mean is once the Train had came to a halt in between stations the intruder (in the 91 - Who entered the cab at the station) must of had to at some point gone to track level and made way his up the Train to the DVT because it is not possibe to access the Mark 4s/DVT from the 91. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2005 0:30:48 GMT
In 22 years I've always done the shifts where trouble lurks, dead lates and nights. In that time no one has ever tried to enter my cab and I know of very few cases where this has happened to anyone else. In short intruders entering occupied drivers cabs is a very rare thing and certainly nothing I worry about. Jim is spot-on here. People trying to enter the front driving cab is very rare, even late at night. Except perhaps when Jim worked on the Met, and had to put-up with me knocking on his cab door for a ride (and a chat) on my way back from a pub in Harrow, Rayners Lane, or Ruislip Manor, or where-ever... home to wonderful downtown Uxbridge.No wonder he transferred to Upminster on the green railway!!! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2005 6:54:14 GMT
There's a first, A Met driver agreeing with a District driver |
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