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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 20:16:47 GMT
We actually have a timetable for the strile this week, totally devised by Service Control (one SM did the groundwork and the basic timetable, and an LIS has compiled the full timetable). No thanks to our timetables people who apparently couldn't devise a timetable!! About time some P45's were offered up to some of these people who can't do the job they're paid to do! Knowing quite a few people who work in the TTO, I find the above P45 quote quite outrageous Weekend after weekend is changing and being re-planned at the moment, this occurs on top of the day job for the folks in the TTO A few years ago I imagine there would have been a resource to knock up a timetable on a strike day or at very short notice At the moment any such resource is constantly re-working timetables (not to forget the duty sheets) that have already been worked up once, from what I understand Like (sorry can't remember his name now) said, there are getting on for 300 TTN's this year, I don't rememeber a year when they reached the 200 mark tbh If you want to have a pop at someone within the business, if that's your thing, you're really picking on the wrong people there linecontroller 66 !!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 21:31:41 GMT
If you want to have a pop at someone within the business, if that's your thing, you're really picking on the wrong people there linecontroller 66 !!! That's a matter of opinion depending where you work. We have repeatedly asked over the years to have crew reliefs marked in the timetables issued to us, either by colour or by using a different font. Always an excuse comes back. it's the software, it's this, it's that. So instead, we have to mark up the timetables in our own time. Likewise, a request was made for a timetable for the strike. When I asked my manager why this hadn't been done, he says timetables told him they had too much on and couldn't do it! So instead, one of my colleagues does it in his own time. Now I'm not having a go at anyone in particular, but there is something wrong when people are using their own time to do something a department within the same company should already be doing! My P45 jibe is not aimed at that department in particular, but if I was a Line General Manager or Performance Manager, I would be questioning the manager of the department in question as to why these requests cannot be dealt with. If the department is short staffed, then that is a matter for the people within that department to take up with their managers. Like my colleague, I'm not going to start a war of words between departments, and that's all I'm going to say on this (but I am entitled to reply to your comment) ;D |
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Post by Tomcakes on Aug 12, 2010 22:19:40 GMT
Moderator note:
You will see that Colin posted earlier on the thread. Continuing with departmental warfare on here really isn't helpful - if (as it seems) there exist problems or perceived problems, those within LU should take it up through the appropriate channels.
Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 22:24:12 GMT
With due apologies for the thread drift and certainly not directing the following remarks at the work of individuals within the TTO, it certainly seems to me that the documentation issued from the TTO is antiquated (and not in a historic way to be approved of) and not fit for purpose!
LC66 refers to deficiencies in the documents issued to the Control staff.
The duty sheets issued to drivers, tell them what trains they are on at what times, but not where the trains go or what times they pass timing points.
The Duty Analysis sheets issued to Duty Managers (possibly the most useful of the sheets) show the train set number, the duty working the train at specific times, what that duty does before and after, where the train goes and where it passes some relevant points, but not all of them. Also it does not show which trips are in passenger service and which are empty!
The Timetable (WTT) shows the train set numbers, all the timing points, where it goes and if it is passenger or empty.... but not which crews are on which train and when!
The Set working book shows the movements of a specific train, by reference to it's times at terminals and states which terminal, but no intermediate times, nor which crews are on which train at which time.
This schedule information is one area in which the buses do a much better job, each driver will be issued with a duty book or duty card, showing which bus they are to drive at which times, where it goes, the timing points and empty or passenger, along with meal relief details. Just what the driver needs!
The Bus Inspector gets a dedicated printout showing each bus time at each location and which duty is driving which bus and where each duty is crew relief/finish/run to garage etc.
In the these days of current technology, it is surprising a decent software package isn't procured that actually tells end users what they need to know in one document rather than having to cross refer from numerous different (cumbersome) sources to get the minimum information for a days work.
Just like the Controllers have to mark up all the crew reliefs etc in their books in their own time, I have to make up a set of "duty cards" for all my driving work in my own time.
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Post by Colin on Aug 13, 2010 2:20:24 GMT
Thread splitting & merging cannot come soon enough!!
Given the thread drift, and the fact that I seem to be talking to myself, this thread is now locked.
Please start new, seperate threads, if you wish to discuss either the Met strike or timetablling.
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