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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2010 11:28:23 GMT
How hard can it be to push a button to open a door? Especially when there's a light flashing behind the bloody thing. Works fine on LO. Maybe LO passengers are more intelligent.
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Post by harlesden on Aug 11, 2010 11:45:05 GMT
LO passengers progressed straight from slamming doors to pushing buttons.
LU passengers never know what is happening next in terms of whether to push or not to push. Sudden reintroduction of PODs on the Central Line, for example would cause considerable confusion initially.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 11, 2010 13:23:30 GMT
LO passengers progressed straight from slamming doors to pushing buttons. LU passengers never know what is happening next in terms of whether to push or not to push. Sudden reintroduction of PODs on the Central Line, for example would cause considerable confusion initially. But if the door didn't open and there was a button, anyone with even half a brain would think "there's a button, I think I'll push it." If they don't, then they deserve to miss the train for being so stupid. They will only do it once, then hopefully they'll learn for next time. Do we really have to take account of every eventuality these days? With the S stock coming in, passengers will have to get used to passenger open, and not all the passengers will be Met regulars either. |
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Post by edwin on Aug 12, 2010 2:23:44 GMT
How hard can it be to push a button to open a door? Especially when there's a light flashing behind the bloody thing. Works fine on LO. Maybe LO passengers are more intelligent. 92TS door open buttons don't have any lights behind them. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 8:35:14 GMT
With the S stock coming in, passengers will have to get used to passenger open, and not all the passengers will be Met regulars either. I thought all the doors were going to be opened initialy by the driver and that buttons would only be used to re-open a door that has been closed after staying open a set number of seconds. |
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Post by v52gc on Aug 12, 2010 10:14:47 GMT
Don't forget aswell the Londoners style of life: if the 92TS comes in and the doors don't open, you'd need to overcome embarrassment of looking like a tourist who thinks the buttons do need to be pressed if you try to press them!
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Post by andypurk on Aug 19, 2010 12:46:02 GMT
LO passengers progressed straight from slamming doors to pushing buttons. Actually LO passengers went from slamming doors to sliding doors which the crew operated (on the class 313s) to pushing buttons (on the class 378s). Only on GOBLIN did buttons get pushed when slam doors were replaced  I'm not sure why the buttons on the '92 stock didn't have lights around the buttons, as mainline stock of a similar age does. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2010 13:00:14 GMT
I'm not sure why the buttons on the '92 stock didn't have lights around the buttons, as mainline stock of a similar age does. And if I remember correctly the D78 stock had. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2010 18:54:48 GMT
LO passengers progressed straight from slamming doors to pushing buttons. Actually LO passengers went from slamming doors to sliding doors which the crew operated (on the class 313s) to pushing buttons (on the class 378s). Only on GOBLIN did buttons get pushed when slam doors were replaced It's a bit more complicated than that! The 313's had crew-operated doors for a while before they were eventually converted to passenger-operation. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2010 19:49:37 GMT
Even with the buttons being in Op mode, people still jab at them anyway...
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Post by Deep Level on Jan 21, 2011 11:48:33 GMT
Lets be honest, I don't think I've ever boarded a Central Line train where at least one person presses the button not even giving the doors a chance to open.
Also I know I'm flip-flopping here but I remember in my younger immature days occasionally as I left an NR train where there were passengers behind me, I would hit the 'Close' button because when you're that age you tend to find that funny. Now could you imagine someone doing this at say Liverpool Street, this would delay boarding by a considerable amount of time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 11:59:42 GMT
That is one of the very reasons that it was taken out (after a number of such incidents) - a child's head had got caught in doors at Notting Hill Gate, caused by someone operating the 'close' button before everyone had got on/off. I was on duty at the time and it was a 'reportable' to the HMRI. The HMRI, of course, 'responded' ..... and the rest is history.
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Post by Deep Level on Jan 21, 2011 12:07:52 GMT
The tiniest bit off-topic but, I remember going to board an NR train at Waterloo a few years ago and watching 2 boys run up the platform pressing the button at the end of the carriages (not sure what its called) trapping passengers inside the train and not allowing passengers to board. They then ran down the stairs to the underground at the end of the platform, what happened after that I have no idea.
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Post by dazzmcguinness on Jan 21, 2011 16:58:02 GMT
The most annoying people are the ones who press the button even when it's not lit up (on overground/NR services at least). Classic case of 'the light's are on...', but in a wonderfully inverted intention! That does annoy me, though. My fiancee commented back in November how she saw the same people on the train who continued to press the 'open' button at Mile End, even though they knew full-well it wouldn't listen to their command. There are a number of other things that bug me (probably many of them bug most commuters, but I bothered to write about it: darrenmcguinness.wordpress.com/2010/11/17/mcguinness-on-the-etiquette-of-the-underground/). 'McGuinness |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 12:03:03 GMT
I think everyone has those ditzy moments and you step towards a 92 or 95/96 and press the button - I've done it every now and again, but if you've been on a few trains in one day you sometimes just go into autopilot and think "ooo button, jab"
I know they don't work, and always say to myself "why the heck did you do that muppet" - but put a button there which says Door Open and people will push it if the door is closed. It's not always out of stupidity, more a lack of concentration.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 18:58:56 GMT
I read recently that all the "close door" buttons on lifts (elevators) are non-functioning by design. In other words - no electronics behind them at all.
They are there to satisfy peoples' needs to feel in control.
Go figure!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 19:09:09 GMT
It's all self-satisfying... If you're in the know, you can be a kind person and tell them that it doesn't actually do anything... or you can remain the silent type and giggle away to yourself, that they have fallen for it...
The ones that jab at the button when the train is still rolling to a stop baffle me!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 19:47:11 GMT
The ones that jab at the button when the train is still rolling to a stop baffle me! Well, if they're Norwegian that makes sense - on the Norwegian underground trains (in Oslo) you press the door button at any point from the doors being "disabled" on the previous stations to instruct the doors to open the next time they're released |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 20:04:02 GMT
The ones that jab at the button when the train is still rolling to a stop baffle me! Well, if they're Norwegian that makes sense - on the Norwegian underground trains (in Oslo) you press the door button at any point from the doors being "disabled" on the previous stations to instruct the doors to open the next time they're released And the same on Tramlink... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2011 20:35:07 GMT
I read recently that all the "close door" buttons on lifts (elevators) are non-functioning by design. In other words - no electronics behind them at all. They are there to satisfy peoples' needs to feel in control. This may be the case with some elevators but in many, the door close button does work and in some the doors will even close immediately when you press a floor button. |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 24, 2011 2:06:49 GMT
Well, if they're Norwegian that makes sense - on the Norwegian underground trains (in Oslo) you press the door button at any point from the doors being "disabled" on the previous stations to instruct the doors to open the next time they're released And the same on Tramlink... On the DLR if you hold down the button as the train is coming to a stop, the door will open the instant the PSA releases them. On the Overground you have to release and then repress the button or the doors will not open. I find the latter very frustrating when I'm in a hurry! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 22:24:29 GMT
The same with most Multiple units across the country apart from: Capitalstar, Electrostar & Turbostar
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 23:53:48 GMT
LO passengers progressed straight from slamming doors to pushing buttons. My Grandma broke a platform dweller's collar bone at Liverpool Street opening a slam door on the way into the station in the 50s without looking what she was doing. No lawsuit, just an apology sufficed. Can you imagine what would happen today? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 11:40:30 GMT
Exactly, I feel like shouting at the telly each time an advert for compensation comes on!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 13:49:22 GMT
Exactly, I feel like shouting at the telly each time an advert for compensation comes on! Onion, I forgot to say that he train carrying my Grandma was still travelling at a fair lick when she decided she couldn't wait for it to stop before opening the door. I liked the buttons on the 92TS when they came out. Gave me a sense of being able to do things for myself instead of having them done for me, just like Grandma. Never broke another passenger's bones in the process though! Silly reason I know but oh well............ |
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Post by dazzmcguinness on Jan 25, 2011 15:43:35 GMT
I've lived in London my whole life and I still haven't worked out why people would need to rush off the train before it's stopped - it's annoying when you miss another train, but in London there's always going to be another one.
That said, when I can see the C2C coming at West Ham and I'm on the District Line, I can always be sure that the doors will open while the tube is still moving! I've been tempted to try to fall out on purpose to see if I can get some money back (at least my fare for the journey), but I am a little too heavy-set to get through before the tube comes to a halt!
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 25, 2011 17:43:07 GMT
All trains with "normal"/"slam" doors are fitted with central locking, and have been for some years now - so such things aren't possible these days!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2011 18:02:02 GMT
Unless its a railtour or even LTM's own 4TC set! They just have a bolt lock at the top
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Post by andypurk on Jan 25, 2011 18:55:33 GMT
And the same on Tramlink... On the DLR if you hold down the button as the train is coming to a stop, the door will open the instant the PSA releases them. On the Overground you have to release and then repress the button or the doors will not open. I find the latter very frustrating when I'm in a hurry! In my personal opinion, the best solution is that found on some continental trains. You push the button once and the door 'remembers' and opens when the train has come to a stop. I think that the Croydon trams do something similar, but most of the time the driver seems to open all the doors at a stop anyway. |
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Post by slugabed on Jan 25, 2011 18:57:04 GMT
I've lived in London my whole life and I still haven't worked out why people would need to rush off the train before it's stopped... 'McGuinness I always liked the feel of wind in my hair,be it on the rear platform of a Routemaster,or the running-board of a 4SUB...perhaps that's why I'm a motorcyclist now.....or maybe the uniting factor is a robust view of risk. One thing IS true,though. Slam doors substantially reduce dwell-time at stations.Someone on this forum once noted that the packed 4VEPs arriving at Waterloo would be half-emptied by the time they came to a standstill. In any case,the train is fairly conspicuous and usually travels in a predictable direction...was it too much to expect,that people on the platform take steps to ensure their own safety? Clearly so. |
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