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Post by d7666 on Jul 24, 2010 15:24:39 GMT
Yes I am aware of that use of the term pegging, this is very different to the main line one.
LU use in an engineering thing isn't it ... to fix something enable or disabled ... the main line use is nothing like that ... it is done by signallers as part of block working by whatever instrument type uses it, each train was pegged/unpegged during its passge through the relevant section.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2010 19:40:53 GMT
"Also on the subject of "policeman" on LU a policeman is a speed-controlled trainstop without an associated signal, often found in terminus platforms (to ensure trains don't go into a dead-end at excessive speed). I don't know if the root of that name is the same as "bobby" on the mainline.
It's hard to know where the term came from but they've only been around since Moorgate and subsequent incidents occured and the railway has a habit of giving everything a nickname, 'policeman' is apt as policing speed is what speed control and wrong road trainstops are attempting to do."
The term policeman existed before Moorgate, and as stated applied to speed-controlled train stops without an associated signal. These were provided (for example) about halfway into the platforms as part of the onetime speed control system in the District line central area.
It was (perhaps still is) sometimes used as slang for draw-up signals in platforms, which serve the same purpose of ensuring that trains do not approach the starting signal at a speed higher than is safe for the overlap.
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Post by railtechnician on Jul 25, 2010 2:54:34 GMT
"Also on the subject of "policeman" on LU a policeman is a speed-controlled trainstop without an associated signal, often found in terminus platforms (to ensure trains don't go into a dead-end at excessive speed). I don't know if the root of that name is the same as "bobby" on the mainline. It's hard to know where the term came from but they've only been around since Moorgate and subsequent incidents occured and the railway has a habit of giving everything a nickname, 'policeman' is apt as policing speed is what speed control and wrong road trainstops are attempting to do." The term policeman existed before Moorgate, and as stated applied to speed-controlled train stops without an associated signal. These were provided (for example) about halfway into the platforms as part of the onetime speed control system in the District line central area. It was (perhaps still is) sometimes used as slang for draw-up signals in platforms, which serve the same purpose of ensuring that trains do not approach the starting signal at a speed higher than is safe for the overlap. My point was that TETS trainstops and wrong road trainstops associated with FRLs had only been around since Moorgate and subsequent events. I'm not aware of the type of speed control trainstops to which you refer, I am familiar with inductor speed control as used on the District and elsewhere and the modern alternative using deltas but the trainstops are associated with signals AFAIR.
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Post by Tom on Jul 25, 2010 3:12:27 GMT
I'm not aware of the type of speed control trainstops to which you refer, I am familiar with inductor speed control as used on the District and elsewhere and the modern alternative using deltas but the trainstops are associated with signals AFAIR. I don't think any examples exist today but it used to be fairly common for the last home signal to just be a blind trainstop in a platform. Some evidence of the past is still visible, such as the current rail gap in Oxford Circus SB Bakerloo Platform. As for blind trainstops in platforms - do you remember the one at Leicester Square EB (which is still there, btw)?
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Post by North End on Jul 25, 2010 12:41:43 GMT
I'm not aware of the type of speed control trainstops to which you refer, I am familiar with inductor speed control as used on the District and elsewhere and the modern alternative using deltas but the trainstops are associated with signals AFAIR. I don't think any examples exist today but it used to be fairly common for the last home signal to just be a blind trainstop in a platform. Some evidence of the past is still visible, such as the current rail gap in Oxford Circus SB Bakerloo Platform. As for blind trainstops in platforms - do you remember the one at Leicester Square EB (which is still there, btw)? Highgate northbound (A510C if I recall correctly) has a blind trainstop halfway down the platform.
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Post by railtechnician on Jul 25, 2010 15:02:42 GMT
I'm not aware of the type of speed control trainstops to which you refer, I am familiar with inductor speed control as used on the District and elsewhere and the modern alternative using deltas but the trainstops are associated with signals AFAIR. I don't think any examples exist today but it used to be fairly common for the last home signal to just be a blind trainstop in a platform. Some evidence of the past is still visible, such as the current rail gap in Oxford Circus SB Bakerloo Platform. As for blind trainstops in platforms - do you remember the one at Leicester Square EB (which is still there, btw)? Come to think of it I do recall one in the platform as 75? V although it wasn't really on my patch and I usually did T/T maintenance there rather than signal maintenance. I recall the FRL V at King's Cross because it was one of my regular maintenance sites, I tended to mostly do all the sites with IMRs on the Picc, the original Jubilee and Ealing Broadway. Thinking about it was Leicester Square E/B the place where the B and C home signals were just yards apart on the same track? I think it was there but I don't recall ever digging out the prints for that section although it stuck in my mind for some reason.
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Post by Tom on Jul 25, 2010 22:11:26 GMT
Leicester Square is 7590V. You might be thinking about the distance between the A and B eastbound homes, which is only about 33m.
As North End has suggested, Highgate does have the 'C' home signal positioned as a blind trainstop in the platform.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jul 26, 2010 0:32:23 GMT
As North End has suggested, Highgate does have the 'C' home signal positioned as a blind trainstop in the platform. That was relatively common with the introduction of speed signalling - I *think* the numbering underwent a change as it was progressively introduced on the Picc - but I'd have to do quite a bit of archaeology to prove my thoughts. Unless of course deep level and in tube speed signalling was subtly and ineffably different from the big stuff. Hmmmmm. I suppose it all hinges on what is now left of speed controlled signalling in AUTO areas, rather than controlled. Thinks.....
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Post by North End on Jul 26, 2010 14:42:49 GMT
As North End has suggested, Highgate does have the 'C' home signal positioned as a blind trainstop in the platform. That was relatively common with the introduction of speed signalling - I *think* the numbering underwent a change as it was progressively introduced on the Picc - but I'd have to do quite a bit of archaeology to prove my thoughts. Unless of course deep level and in tube speed signalling was subtly and ineffably different from the big stuff. Hmmmmm. I suppose it all hinges on what is now left of speed controlled signalling in AUTO areas, rather than controlled. Thinks..... As far as I am aware, the only two places with anything like proper speed-controlled signalling are Oval N/B and Waterloo N/B both Northern. In both cases the last 'E' home signal is in the platform, but it's a proper signal as opposed to a blind trainstop. The speed signalling at these two locations still works very nicely indeed, if used in the way it was intended. It takes a bit of nerve to hold your speed up, but if done carefully it's just about possible to enter the platform at 15mph with the rear of the preceding train disappearing into the tunnel.
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Post by North End on Jul 26, 2010 14:46:30 GMT
Leicester Square is 7590V. You might be thinking about the distance between the A and B eastbound homes, which is only about 33m. As North End has suggested, Highgate does have the 'C' home signal positioned as a blind trainstop in the platform. Never sure if we should refer to the Highgate trainstop as A510c or 510cV. Fortunately it very rarely gets hit, so the question is unlikely to come up for real.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 14:54:31 GMT
Never sure if we should refer to the Highgate trainstop as A510c or 510cV. Fortunately it very rarely gets hit, so the question is unlikely to come up for real. If it doesn't have an associated stop signal then a train getting tripped on it would not be a SPAD anyway........
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Post by North End on Jul 26, 2010 17:23:39 GMT
Never sure if we should refer to the Highgate trainstop as A510c or 510cV. Fortunately it very rarely gets hit, so the question is unlikely to come up for real. If it doesn't have an associated stop signal then a train getting tripped on it would not be a SPAD anyway........ But when the item is given out it would have to give the number of the asset involved, and it would have to be included in the IRF.
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Post by railtechnician on Jul 27, 2010 19:54:47 GMT
Leicester Square is 7590V. You might be thinking about the distance between the A and B eastbound homes, which is only about 33m. As North End has suggested, Highgate does have the 'C' home signal positioned as a blind trainstop in the platform. I'm sure you're right, five years + into retirement now but nine years off the track and the memories that were once so sharp are becoming somewhat fuzzy.
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Post by tubeprune on Jul 28, 2010 15:33:40 GMT
Holborn WB Picc had a blind trainstop. If the bloke in front left too slowly, you could easily get tripped on it.
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