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Post by Alight on Jun 14, 2010 18:57:59 GMT
A slightly tenuous link, but the latest post on the goingunderground.net blog today:
I'm sure many of you will find this malfunctioning on-train announcer system rather amusing! It is literally a constant sequence of every announcement possible on Class 378s!
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Post by dpb on Jun 14, 2010 19:30:28 GMT
That is brilliant! My personal favourite is the call for any doctors or nurses! :-D
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 14, 2010 19:57:27 GMT
Interesting to note
"This is coach number, this is car number..."
and the possibility of working upto twelve cars/coaches.
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Post by 21146 on Jun 14, 2010 22:13:45 GMT
That is brilliant! My personal favourite is the call for any doctors or nurses! :-D I'm surprised the Guard didn't hear this and deal with it, or is it because most seem to be back working from the rear cab now?
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Post by Chris M on Jun 15, 2010 0:18:31 GMT
Is it something the guard can deal with? Speculation on the mailing list I first saw this on is that it is a test mode, and that not all drivers/guards will know how to stop it one it has started (as test mode isn't something that should be needed outside the depot, it's not something that they're likely to be taught much if anything about).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2010 21:32:14 GMT
That is brilliant! My personal favourite is the call for any doctors or nurses! :-D I'm surprised the Guard didn't hear this and deal with it, or is it because most seem to be back working from the rear cab now? Please dont include me in your statement. It is not something the guard can sort out as we dont have access to the on board train announcements equipment. The only person who can sort this out is the driver and i am surprised that these random messages were not dealt with as they not only go through the train but rather annoyingly in the cab as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2010 18:30:07 GMT
There is only one problem with that vitesse and that is no Guards have been trained to use the system and we have not been given code numbers to access the TCMS. Whilst the drivers have been given identity codes to input the Guards have none as it would seem LOROL want the Guards inside the train despite what 21146 is insinuating.
Perhaps i could have a chat with my Conductor manager to see if she can persuade those above to give Guards code numbers to access the tcms.
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Post by flippyff on Jun 19, 2010 14:34:55 GMT
There is only one problem with that vitesse and that is no Guards have been trained to use the system and we have not been given code numbers to access the TCMS. Whilst the drivers have been given identity codes to input the Guards have none as it would seem LOROL want the Guards inside the train despite what 21146 is insinuating. Perhaps i could have a chat with my Conductor manager to see if she can persuade those above to give Guards code numbers to access the tcms. TCMS? Totally Confusing Messaging System?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2010 17:30:05 GMT
Some South Eastern Trains staff that I know, know MiTrac by another name... I won't mention it here...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2010 17:39:47 GMT
A friend has just told me he became the target of raised voices at Dalston Junction... he explained he'd dropped his oyster wallet which went scooting across the platform [1] while there was no train present. Absent-mindedly he steps across the line to retreive it and gets bawled at, he explains, by some overgrown-dreadlocked nutter [his exact words]. Apparently, he needed to ask permission from a member of staff who would retreive it... So, [he says] he goes off to hunt for the staff and returns to find the oyster card gone? Honestly...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 13:17:49 GMT
This doesn't make much sense. Do you mean that your friend's wallet fell onto the tracks?
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Post by Chris M on Jun 28, 2010 15:18:30 GMT
I read it as meaning the wallet ended up on the platform between the yellow line and the platform edge.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 15:41:22 GMT
If a member of staff told me I needed permission to bend down and pick my wallet up from where it had fallen on the platform, I wouldn't pay them any notice. They'd come across as a bit of a hysterical nutter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 19:39:18 GMT
I read it as meaning the wallet ended up on the platform between the yellow line and the platform edge. That is indeed the way I intended it to be read... I'm just translating it from my friends text message!
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 28, 2010 20:34:45 GMT
Absent-mindedly he steps across the line to retreive it... I struggled at first, thinking he'd crossed the Railway Line, but then clicked that: "Absent-mindedly he stepped across the yellow line to retreive it..."
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Post by jazza on Jun 28, 2010 21:29:36 GMT
A friend has just told me he became the target of raised voices at Dalston Junction... he explained he'd dropped his oyster wallet which went scooting across the platform [1] while there was no train present. Absent-mindedly he steps across the line to retreive it and gets bawled at, he explains, by some overgrown-dreadlocked nutter [his exact words]. Apparently, he needed to ask permission from a member of staff who would retreive it... So, [he says] he goes off to hunt for the staff and returns to find the oyster card gone? Honestly... What would have happened to him if he had ignored the shouts, which by the way is extremely rude to a customer, and just picked up his oyster. Arrested? Escorted from station? Denied travel? Good God we are all capable of judging when it's safe to do something. Maybe I shall call Dalston Junction station before I get in the car tomorrow, just to be sure it's safe to do so.
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Post by antharro on Jun 28, 2010 21:56:38 GMT
I think in his position, if it was obviously safe to do so (no train approaching or the card wasn't balanced right on the edge of the platform, about to fall off if the wind was to blow...) then I would've just ignored the staff member and picked up the card.
I'm happy to report today that I was on the Overground from Shephard's Bush to Clapham Junction and I didn't see a single member of staff on the platforms! They were all clustered around the ticket barriers instead - at least at Shephard's Bush. The one staff member I saw at Clapham Jn was doing nothing at all. Even when two people walked up to the train I had just boarded, forced open the very nearly closed doors (less than a foot til they were closed) and let themselves on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2010 17:22:07 GMT
What i would like to know are these so could staff LOROLs own staff or outside agency staff? Because there in could lie to every ones answers answers as to why some are over sealous and some are not.
With regard to antharro's comment about the member of staff at Clapham Junction doing nothing, was this a member of LOROL station staff or staff from another company?
I would be very surprised if it was a LOROL member of station staff, none are employed at Clapham Junction.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2010 19:43:46 GMT
Hmmmmmmm.
Still see i am waiting to find out about the member of staff doing nothing from antharro?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2010 9:37:38 GMT
I think the Yellow Line Zealots are only to be found on the ELL part of the LO.
Regarding the incident at Dalston Junction described by Artery Train Op, it was at that station that I was once barked at not to walk alongside (within the "wrong side" of that wretched yellow line) a just-arrived stationary train. You also seem to be pounced upon in with "can I help you?" a quasi-accusatory manner (it feels like you're being challenged to justify your presence at the station) if you stand still to look at the departure board at that station.
I too would be interested to know if these people are from an agency contracted to do this. I get the feeling they might be. Either way, their whole approach is all wrong. It comes across as marshalling and policing the passengers - sort of "keeping them in line" rather than being there to help. As a paying passenger, I'm growing tired of feeling like I'm under suspicion.
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Post by North End on Jul 3, 2010 17:58:21 GMT
I think the Yellow Line Zealots are only to be found on the ELL part of the LO. Regarding the incident at Dalston Junction described by Artery Train Op, it was at that station that I was once barked at not to walk alongside (within the "wrong side" of that wretched yellow line) a just-arrived stationary train. You also seem to be pounced upon in with "can I help you?" a quasi-accusatory manner (it feels like you're being challenged to justify your presence at the station) if you stand still to look at the departure board at that station. I too would be interested to know if these people are from an agency contracted to do this. I get the feeling they might be. Either way, their whole approach is all wrong. It comes across as marshalling and policing the passengers - sort of "keeping them in line" rather than being there to help. As a paying passenger, I'm growing tired of feeling like I'm under suspicion. I wonder if many of the ELL staff are newly recruited? If LOROL's training is anything like present-day LUL training (especially as station staff on National Rail do not get involved with operating procedures in the same way as LUL staff), most of their training will have focussed on PAs. If this is so, and if they're newly recruited then they wouldn't have any previous railway experience, maybe it's no surprise that we're seeing some of this rubbish. Just a thought, I could be totally wrong.
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