|
Post by londonstuff on May 30, 2010 12:59:17 GMT
I noticed what appears to be a triple aspect signal (OD2) at Liverpool Street yesterday, although it appeared that the bottom aspect was not in use. Why would this be here rather than a conventional 2-aspect signal? I presume nothing to do with the co-actor near it, but could it be legacy signalling of the old bay road just out of sight in the left background, or related to the crossover?
|
|
mrfs42
71E25683904T 172E6538094T
Big Hair Day
Posts: 5,922
|
Post by mrfs42 on May 30, 2010 13:06:58 GMT
Close, but no cigar. OD2 is indeed an old head, and originally had an 'S' light in the lowest lens. S lights were 'starting lights', operated by the guard touching a low-voltage catenary on the platform and completing a circuit. Some, but not all had train starting bells worked off the same circuit. Bear with me and I'll have a rummage around for pictures. Linky is the old style train starting bell, where the guard would pull on a string and make the circuit. Linky this is the 'new' style with the guard making contact with the brass ferrule on the end of his flagstick, linky this is a better view. I've got a bit written somewhere about the S lights too..... These signals are BPRS (British Power Railway Signal Co) and date from the 1932/3 resignalling when this bit of the Circle and Widened Lines was brought up to the same standard as the 'extension railway', some locations used a separate 'S' light (you can still, I think, see the hole in the post on OH 28 Farringdon WB starter) where a separate 'S' unit was fitted, like the 'A' lights for automatic working, the starter in the other direction A 249? is of the same format.
|
|
|
Post by v52gc on May 30, 2010 15:52:40 GMT
Does anybody know if it's the same case for the Southbound station starter at Ickenham?
|
|
mrfs42
71E25683904T 172E6538094T
Big Hair Day
Posts: 5,922
|
Post by mrfs42 on May 30, 2010 16:00:43 GMT
Does anybody know if it's the same case for the Southbound station starter at Ickenham? Possibly - *rummage*
|
|
mrfs42
71E25683904T 172E6538094T
Big Hair Day
Posts: 5,922
|
Post by mrfs42 on May 30, 2010 16:09:06 GMT
No - that was originally a three-aspect signal: see linky - hosted by the lovely angelislington and is the diagram from Traffic Notice 30/1930. You can see that the two Ickenham signals (A80 and A91) are both greeen over yellow over red at the time of the 1930 resignalling.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 30, 2010 16:11:26 GMT
The "eastbound" station starter at Ickenham MUX743 (the Met doesn't become 'southbound' until Rayners Lane substation gap) is a relic from Metropolitan Railway days when they had three-aspect signalling, on that branch until 1948.
There are several of these signal heads still around, and on the Uxbridge branch are:
A723 West Harrow southbound home A727 Eastcote – Rayners Lane eastbound intermediate A728 Eastcote westbound station starter MUX743 Ickenham eastbound station starter R744 Repeater for Hillingdon westbound home signal MW4 Uxbridge eastbound advanced starter
Those on the Stanmore branch will probably go when the new signalling is commissioned - whenever that might be!
There are some on the Watford branch, the Hammersmith & City, but between Harrow and Finchley Road, only two survive -
A552 Preston Road northbound ‘local’ advance starter MD1 Finchley Road southbound Metropolitan outer home
There are also a few of these signals that have infiltrated non Met Railway lines, such as (list not complete) -
R491 – Repeater for Kilburn Park southbound home (by QP south shed) WV2 – South Harrow westbound inner home signal (with junction route indicator) A580 Westbound ‘local’ intermediate Stamford Brook – Turnham Green
|
|
|
Post by londonstuff on Jun 13, 2010 17:14:10 GMT
Sorry for the bump...by hanging (almost but not quite) over the wall that you can see in the distance in the first photograph at the top (made all the more easy by someone conveniently leaving a load of pallets nearby that I could use as a ladder, I managed to take a couple of photos of the reverse view of this showing the heavily boarded-up bay platform. Only one photo here, the others, including full sizes, are in this set {clicky}
|
|
rincew1nd
Administrator
Junior Under-wizzard of quiz
Posts: 10,286
|
Post by rincew1nd on Jun 13, 2010 20:56:14 GMT
Please don't tell me that's your scooter on the right!
|
|
|
Post by londonstuff on Jun 13, 2010 21:07:35 GMT
Nope, I was on foot, except for the aforementioned pallets that made a fantastic ladder ;D
|
|
metman
Global Moderator
5056 05/12/1961-23/04/2012 RIP
Posts: 7,421
|
Post by metman on Jun 13, 2010 21:42:41 GMT
Shame they can use that platform anymore....
|
|
|
Post by jacko1 on Jun 15, 2010 15:53:58 GMT
out of intrest,why was the bay platform closed at lv st? and when was it closed?. was there reg turn backs in the timetable,or was it used ad hoc?.
|
|
mrfs42
71E25683904T 172E6538094T
Big Hair Day
Posts: 5,922
|
Post by mrfs42 on Jun 15, 2010 20:11:34 GMT
out of intrest,why was the bay platform closed at lv st? and when was it closed?. was there reg turn backs in the timetable,or was it used ad hoc?. I think that most of your answers are in this post: A good question - I remember the platform and track being intact in 1983-4 when I was at an office near Liverpool Street, but I don't know if there were still timetabled services using it or if it was disused by then. MRFS or reganorak would probably be able to fill in the blanks... *wanders into library* ;D As a first port of call I'll look in the OPO introduction WTTs, and I'm pretty sure that the trailing crossover was recommissioned in 1982. Bit of a needle in a haystack job - and distinctly off-topic! Hmm. After reading only three WTTs, I've found an ex-Chesham service reversing at Liverpool St - Met No 2 WTT 279 (6/10/80) has the 0733 ex Chm running with a TD of LS5, booked into Liverpool St at 0834; 0753½ ex-Amersham in at 0848; 0804 ex-Chm in at 0904; 08a24½ ex-Am in at 0919½; 0839 ex-Am in at 0935½; 0854½ ex-Am in at 0949½. This last Liverpool Street reverser has Stop with a reurn working off LS at 1616, so it was an interpeak stabler in the bay, giving no slack hours reversers there in this WTT. The evening busy gives the 1525½ (1620), 1540½ (1634½), 1555½ (1648½), 1610½ (1704½) all ex-Uxbridge reversing in Liverpool St () time is the booked arrival. Then 1627 ex-Rickmansworth (1720), 1640 ex-Watford (1736), 1654½ ex-Am (1751½), 1724½ ex-Am (1820½) [coincidentally the last arrival into the City in this WTT] also being Liverpool Street reversers.
Looking at the next No 2 section WTT (281: 6/12/82) all Liverpool Street reversers had ceased. Therefore the last time the bay was booked to be sued in anger would have been on Friday, 4th December 1982 - 110 years to the day after the Mary Celeste was found!Back on-topic.... which is from the Extreme Line Closures thread.
|
|