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Post by tubeprune on May 27, 2010 13:11:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2010 16:14:36 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if it was knocked on the head altogether. (Ever the cynic!).
I know a lot of money has been spent on it already, but it didn't save the Northern Line Extensions all those years ago, which had a lot of money spent and subsequently wasted, did it?
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Post by superteacher on Jun 3, 2010 16:24:07 GMT
Only in Britain would anyone even consider not building such an important rail link.
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Post by singaporesam on Jul 6, 2010 23:39:10 GMT
The trouble is that the UK governement doesn't realise the reason why Rail projects cost so much in the UK is the political risk associated with them . The industry structure keeps changing, the concept of who is in control and who does the work changes, its nuts . Even somewhere like Thailand probably has less political risk on Rail infrastructure jobs than the UK.
I don't see McNulty coming back and reporting that the reason why the UK costs are so high are meddling civil servants and Government changes and interference though ! Obviously he'll blame it on DFT's favorite Targets ROSCOs and Civil contractors !
The key to lower costs is that when you enter a contract as the Government you honor it. Thats what happens here , pity the UK has been run for the last 14 years by people with no honor.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jul 7, 2010 0:20:15 GMT
The key to lower costs is that when you enter a contract as the Government you honor it. Thats what happens here , pity the UK has been run for the last 14 years by people with no honor. Was it a Freudian slip that you chose the American spelling of 'honour'?
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Post by tubeprune on Jul 7, 2010 8:45:15 GMT
The trouble is that the UK governement doesn't realise the reason why Rail projects cost so much in the UK is the political risk associated with them . The industry structure keeps changing, the concept of who is in control and who does the work changes, its nuts . Even somewhere like Thailand probably has less political risk on Rail infrastructure jobs than the UK. I don't see McNulty coming back and reporting that the reason why the UK costs are so high are meddling civil servants and Government changes and interference though ! Obviously he'll blame it on DFT's favorite Targets ROSCOs and Civil contractors ! The key to lower costs is that when you enter a contract as the Government you honor it. Thats what happens here , pity the UK has been run for the last 14 years by people with no honor. In 1929, Phillip Burtt wrote in his book "Railway Electrification and Traffic Problems", that "the cost of constructing railways in England has been higher than in any other country in the world". Later, quoting £54,000 per mile cost per new double track line pre-1914, he says, "There is hardly another country in Europe where the cost comes up to more than half that amount". The equivalent cost today would be £24million. He quotes the legal costs of promotion and the high cost of land "extorted by powerful landowners" as the main reasons for the high costs. He also quotes the all-up cost of building tube lines as £750,000/mile. This would be £182million today. The JLE extension cost £220million/mile.
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Post by Ben on Jul 7, 2010 13:11:00 GMT
But how can you change an institutional way of thinking and acting if the very people who twist things to their advantage are the same ones to have any power over reform.
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Post by singaporesam on Jul 7, 2010 13:58:45 GMT
The key to lower costs is that when you enter a contract as the Government you honor it. Thats what happens here , pity the UK has been run for the last 14 years by people with no honor. Was it a Freudian slip that you chose the American spelling of 'honour'? Nope, too long out of blighty , beginning to spell like a foreigner now !
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Post by singaporesam on Jul 7, 2010 14:25:34 GMT
One has to wonder though if the politically connected member of the Crossrail Delivery partner has the same political connections with the new coalition as it had with the last lot.
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