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Post by Colin on Apr 8, 2010 1:40:48 GMT
Can we please STOP using 'The East London Line' - as far as TfL London Rail is concerned that title has now been dropped. Admin Comment:As things currently stand, the forum staff have not set such a policy (other than to differentiate between the former LU operation and the new LO operation) and I suspect we'd be unlikely to in the future. It often makes sense, when referring to a particular part of the London Overground network, to use long established local names or abbreviations in order to make a quick reference as to what particular geographical area is being discussed - using such long winded descriptions as those suggested should not be necessary on a specialist discussion forum such as this place.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2010 8:56:32 GMT
Yes that was my argument within TfL London Rail - that existing line names akin to LU line names should be retained. However, public opinion - so I am told - was very strongly that service designations like 'Stratford - Richmond/Clapham Junction' were preferred by the public who use the services - I only hope they asked more than 3 people tho! That being the case, all line names are now being dropped in favour of service designations - there is a lag in TfL so some publications still refer to ELL/NLL etc., but this will cease in quick time as there will be an aggressive marketing campaign. Apart from within discussion groups like this, I am afraid that such line names (even SLL) are being consigned to history - much to my eternal regret. There is always hoping that my fellow colleagues in TfL London Rail will change their minds but I am not betting on it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2010 10:26:53 GMT
Can we please STOP using 'The East London Line or East London Railway' - as far as TfL London Rail is concerned that title has now been dropped. The official designation of the whole network is 'The London Overground' and this particular service will be referred to as 'Dalston Junction - New Cross/New Cross Gate'. After 23 May it will be 'Dalston Junction - New Cross/West Croydon/Crystal Palace'. It's ugly and awkward language I agree, but seemingly that's what passenger research has revealed as the most popular nomenclature, according to TfL! The same rules already apply to the NLL/WLL/GOB and DC lines. I replied to this post in the other thread. I cannot be bothered to cut and paste the answer here
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 9, 2010 19:40:45 GMT
Are we, then to start referring to the Walthamstow-Brixton line, or the Morden-Edgware/High Barnet Line? Or even the Hammersmith - Edgware Road Line?
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Post by Colin on Apr 10, 2010 2:28:43 GMT
ADMIN COMMENT YET AGAIN:
Please start a new thread if you wish to discuss the naming of lines.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2010 11:46:38 GMT
With regards to the "classic" section of the ELL, I have found myself wondering just how many people will actually use it in the early weeks of it's re-opening, given that people may have simply gotten used to it not being there and the replacement buses were so impractical to use as they didn't cover the whole line.
Interesting ... we shall see...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2010 11:30:43 GMT
Given the volume of people that have asked when its opening at both New Cross and New Cross Gate I think it will get a decent amount of usage. Oh, I'm sure it won't be underused by any stretch of the imagination. It's just that the pre-closure ELL wasn't ever exactly heaving even at busy periods (it's something I liked about it - a nice, peaceful little branch line within inner London itself!), so it will be interesting to see what the passenger levels will be like once it reopens following such an extended hiatus of service. I'm really looking forward to having it back, actually. There's something quite unique about the charecter and atmospheare of this stretch of line and it's stations.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2010 11:42:07 GMT
Plus its good to see part of a line closed nearly 26 years ago, reopened; that through Dalston Junction. I honestly can't wait to travel on it. Certainly looks so much different to photographs of Dalston Junction I have seen with detritus everywhere and a rather unkempt Class 501 running the service!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2010 11:48:15 GMT
Plus its good to see part of a line closed nearly 26 years ago, reopened; that through Dalston Junction. I honestly can't wait to travel on it. Certainly looks so much different to photographs of Dalston Junction I have seen with detritus everywhere and a rather unkempt Class 501 running the service! Indeed. However, my gut-feeling is that the reopened Dalston - Haggerston branch will look and feel so different to the line of old that it might as well be a totally new part of the system rather than a reopening. Rather like the DLR's use of old lines - you wouldn't know they were indeed such.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2010 21:44:10 GMT
I've already commented on how poplar I perceive the service could be. So veering slightly to a tangent, I can't wait for the service to open in full either. It will serve as a much needed north-south, cross Thames connection and one that connects lots of different areas. Especially when the SLL is added in 2012, it will make getting about London a lot easier. That in itself should make the service popular with people who live in the locality of Overground stations The one factor that would make it a lot more popular would be a greater number of interchanges with the Tube. But as suggested earlier in this thread, Brixton-Vic interchange, and often by others with regard to a Shoreditch-Central interchange, that would probably be detrimental to the interchangeable services as a whole. The next project for London is probably to get the existing transport network and additions to that network up to a standard where a greater number of interchanges enhances the overall operation and fluidity of transporting people.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 13, 2010 10:35:25 GMT
The next project for London is probably to get the existing transport network and additions to that network up to a standard where a greater number of interchanges enhances the overall operation and fluidity of transporting people. Well, Crossrail and Chelney should help in this regard (should they ever get built).
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