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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2009 19:52:14 GMT
Newbie questions.
I was reading a book that said that in the days of District/Met competition, one company ran the Circle clockwise and the other anti-clockwise. They had separate booking halls and sometimes sent a person around the long way rather than have them ride the other company's line.
My questions (for this day and age): 1) does the Circle have it's own drivers? 2) If not, is it District or Met drivers? Both? 3) Is, due the nature of the Circle, driving on that line considered a low posting? 4) Where do Circle drivers take their break periods? 5) Do drivers do both inner and outer circle runs in a shift?
Thanks ahead of time for the usual great information!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2009 20:02:04 GMT
Newbie questions. I was reading a book that said that in the days of District/Met competition, one company ran the Circle clockwise and the other anti-clockwise. They had separate booking halls and sometimes sent a person around the long way rather than have them ride the other company's line. My questions (for this day and age): 1) does the Circle have it's own drivers? 2) If not, is it District or Met drivers? Both? 3) Is, due the nature of the Circle, driving on that line considered a low posting? 4) Where do Circle drivers take their break periods? 5) Do drivers do both inner and outer circle runs in a shift? Thanks ahead of time for the usual great information! The Circle does have it's own drivers the drivers work the Circle and Hammersmith & City line and are based at Edgware Road, Hammersmith and Barking. Meal reliefs are taken at all three locations, but most are taken at Edgware Road. Drivers can do both inner and outer rail working and an stint on the H&C on a single shift.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2009 20:27:37 GMT
3) Is, due the nature of the Circle, driving on that line considered a low posting? I wouldn't say it is actually. There are a lot of people on the C&H that have been there a long time and are happy there. Also quite a few drivers from other lines seem to apply for it. The most junior line I reckon is the Jubilee.
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Post by 1938 on Oct 3, 2009 21:13:05 GMT
3) Is, due the nature of the Circle, driving on that line considered a low posting? The most junior line I reckon is the Jubilee. Hence the most junior PA talk!!
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Post by memorex on Oct 3, 2009 21:32:35 GMT
The most junior line I reckon is the Jubilee. To which I'd agree, seeing as most apprentices seem to be being sent there!
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Post by 1938 on Oct 3, 2009 21:39:14 GMT
The most junior line I reckon is the Jubilee. To which I'd agree, seeing as most apprentices seem to be being sent there! Are you one ? ;D (just joking)
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Post by citysig on Oct 4, 2009 7:30:21 GMT
I was reading a book that said that in the days of District/Met competition, one company ran the Circle clockwise and the other anti-clockwise. They had separate booking halls and sometimes sent a person around the long way rather than have them ride the other company's line. The days of the District/Met competition are still with us. However, the mighty Met took the Circle under its wing and also took over both sides as a result. Many of the "Green Line" people on here will have an opinion that us on the Met still do send them "around the long way" or make them wait ;D But on the other hand, you should see how late "our" Circles return on occasions after a visit to the "dark side" or out east ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2009 17:04:46 GMT
Thanks, all, for the usual great information.
So I am guessing that once the Circle becomes the Teacup line, it really isn't going to much of a new experience since the drivers mostly alreay know the H&C too.
Then when they are leaving Hammersmith, though, they will have to say to themselves, "Am I going to Barking on this trip or to Edgeware?"
This is all done with C-stock, correct?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2009 18:20:49 GMT
Thanks, all, for the usual great information. So I am guessing that once the Circle becomes the Teacup line, it really isn't going to much of a new experience since the drivers mostly alreay know the H&C too. Then when they are leaving Hammersmith, though, they will have to say to themselves, "Am I going to Barking on this trip or to Edgeware?" This is all done with C-stock, correct? As most circle trains start from and finish at Hammersmith Depot or Barking sidings they already work a Tea cup service for the first and last trains already. All done with C stock and no camera trickery
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Post by citysig on Oct 5, 2009 8:23:14 GMT
Then when they are leaving Hammersmith, though, they will have to say to themselves, "Am I going to Barking on this trip or to Edgeware?" And if they ask the controller, they may get a similar puzzled response ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2009 9:28:19 GMT
I wouldn't say it is actually. There are a lot of people on the C&H that have been there a long time and are happy there. Also quite a few drivers from other lines seem to apply for it. The most junior line I reckon is the Jubilee. Something I forgot to mention, the H&C is popular among its staff as it is convenient for a) staff who live outside of London and commute in, due to its central London location (particularly Edgware Road) it is quite handy for the major National Rail termini. b) Barking being at the east end, this is also popular, as east end depots always have been, again due to people living close/finding it easier to get to.
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Post by roythebus on Oct 5, 2009 19:26:37 GMT
I wouldn't say it is actually. There are a lot of people on the C&H that have been there a long time and are happy there. Also quite a few drivers from other lines seem to apply for it. The most junior line I reckon is the Jubilee. Something I forgot to mention, the H&C is popular among its staff as it is convenient for a) staff who live outside of London and commute in, due to its central London location (particularly Edgware Road) it is quite handy for the major National Rail termini. b) Barking being at the east end, this is also popular, as east end depots always have been, again due to people living close/finding it easier to get to. and an adequate supply of Essex boys...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 13:09:37 GMT
I might be wrong here but I always thought the sub surface lines were generally regarded as the best job on LU with the Met Line being the highest position and one advantage of the Circle Line is that there is no need for the driver to constantly change ends.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 14:41:30 GMT
I might be wrong here but I always thought the sub surface lines were generally regarded as the best job on LU with the Met Line being the highest position and one advantage of the Circle Line is that there is no need for the driver to constantly change ends. Most drivers like to work at locations close to home or easy travelling to work. The idea of three Circles without leaving the cab is not a plus point, believe me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 14:50:01 GMT
I might be wrong here but I always thought the sub surface lines were generally regarded as the best job on LU with the Met Line being the highest position and one advantage of the Circle Line is that there is no need for the driver to constantly change ends. Most drivers like to work at locations close to home or easy travelling to work. The idea of three Circles without leaving the cab is not a plus point, believe me. Well I've heard one driver say it was a plus point but then I guess different drivers will have different opinions
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2009 16:13:26 GMT
Well I've heard one driver say it was a plus point but then I guess different drivers will have different opinions He was certainly in the minority as most drivers hate circles. You often lose track whether you were on your second or third and have to look at the set working book to confirm. Most drivers like their turn around as it gives you a break and gives you a few minutes to have a quick read of the paper and a relax before the next trip, you don't get this on circles.
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Post by rocketdriver2019 on Oct 25, 2009 21:40:14 GMT
Does a driver lose his/her seniority if they decide to transfer lines?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 22:34:07 GMT
Does a driver lose his/her seniority if they decide to transfer lines? Yes, they go to the bottom of the 'pool' at there new depot and in terms of seniority at depot is concerned they will be at the bottom, even if they have 25 years on the job. Seniority now only really counts towards your pension.
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Post by happybunny on Oct 25, 2009 23:43:34 GMT
Previously if you did a 'mutual' to transfer lines you took the other drivers position on the roster, this is no longer the case in some locations I believe which is a bit out of order.
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