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Post by TMBA on Mar 27, 2008 23:54:05 GMT
Typical T/Op response. . . . . . How original, I wonder whether you would do a better job as a LC instead of T/Op. . . . you obviously think you can, you do know that there are vacancies, why don't you put in for it. Why would I want it? Give me one good reason?  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 10:59:17 GMT
Well I don't think your in a position to comment then are you ? Just like to add that when incidents occur, everyone thinks that they could do the LC's job better than the person on shift. . . . . . come on then lads put in for it, I'll even train you.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 12:23:49 GMT
I suggest that you speak to the Earl's Court signalman, who it would seem on average took him 7/9 minutes to take a release at Earl's Court. Add that for each train that gets an incorrect signal and you can understand why that you can go from running an on time D stock service to being 30/40 late in the blink of an eye. Oh and it would seem that the Piccadilly mangement (who are responsible for this person) didn't want to put him on an ' easier ' desk for fear of destroying the Piccadilly line service ! There also seems to be a lot of this ' they did this ' and ' they did that '. . . . . . who are they. . . Service Control ?. . . . Signal Ops ?. . . .DMTs ? Can't be sure, or is this yet another Service Control bashing session ? You have to have sympathy for Service Managers trying to manage their line with these Piccadilly Line signallers. The frustration is often evident in the Controller's voice. I still find it a bizare set up that the District doesn't have it's own. I'd guess matters have become even more difficult with our controllers now further remote being at Baker Street ? (Though I gather, at last, you can see trains east of Tower Hill !!!  ) Personally I've always facied a crack at Controller, especially District ... but practicallity sadly prevents as I wouldn't realistically be able to travel to Hammersmith to do it when the base moves there ! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 12:53:12 GMT
Why don't you put in for it ? Would the journey be an issue ? H'smith is a LONG way off, bearing in mind that the District LC's were supposed to relocate to Baker St in 2004 and we only moved there in Feb 2008. This should give you some sort of time scale that projects work to.
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Post by c5 on Mar 28, 2008 13:10:08 GMT
I suggest that you speak to the Earl's Court signalman, who it would seem on average took him 7/9 minutes to take a release at Earl's Court. Add that for each train that gets an incorrect signal and you can understand why that you can go from running an on time D stock service to being 30/40 late in the blink of an eye. Oh and it would seem that the Piccadilly mangement (who are responsible for this person) didn't want to put him on an ' easier ' desk for fear of destroying the Piccadilly line service ! There also seems to be a lot of this ' they did this ' and ' they did that '. . . . . . who are they. . . Service Control ?. . . . Signal Ops ?. . . .DMTs ? Can't be sure, or is this yet another Service Control bashing session ? You have to have sympathy for Service Managers trying to manage their line with these Piccadilly Line signallers. The frustration is often evident in the Controller's voice. I still find it a bizare set up that the District doesn't have it's own. I'd guess matters have become even more difficult with our controllers now further remote being at Baker Street ? (Though I gather, at last, you can see trains east of Tower Hill !!! ) Personally I've always facied a crack at Controller, especially District ... but practicallity sadly prevents as I wouldn't realistically be able to travel to Hammersmith to do it when the base moves there ! There is little performance management of the Piccadilly line service operator's - but then what do you except from people that have been told they won't have a job in a few years time. Having said that less than a quarter are probably not really good, but that is the same in the other grades; management, stations and trains.... Just tarring Service Control is a tad out of order if you don't know the coal face of it.... Also the equipment at times just does random stuff, before you have time to act! |
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Post by Colin on Mar 28, 2008 16:20:45 GMT
. . . . . . come on then lads put in for it, I'll even train you. Well you never know........... You may or may not have read on the forum that I'm going to the Met on secondment as a signaller - I have every intention of heading in the service control direction, and I'm hoping this will assist in my goal. I've visited several control rooms and am under no illusions whatsoever as to what is required in the role - that's why I'm doing the secondment....I know it's damm hard but I want to give myself the best 'grounding' in the railway I can before I really go for it. There is little performance management of the Piccadilly line service operator's - but then what do you except from people that have been told they won't have a job in a few years time. I'm also under no illusions regarding what is going on within service control at the moment - but as I've found through securing this secondment, it is up to me to get what I want. The same applies to all of you LUL staff - even those outside the company trying to get in as CSA's, Train Op's or whatever - you have the power to shape your career. If you push hard enough, annoy the the right people, go on application workshops (even if you don't actually apply for the job), make an effort to learn. etc, etc....it will pay off. I did all that and more to ensure I got the secondment and it paid off. My next goal is Line Controller, and I will get it cos I'll make sure I've been given the tools to do so!  |
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Post by c5 on Mar 28, 2008 16:22:50 GMT
At least you have a job to go back to COLIN.
Meanwhile, some of those training you will be booted out to the stations, some on a massive pay cut, as people from Boots the Chemist and McDonalds take their jobs as they can give better answers to HR people on another planet.
Great ain't it....
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Post by Colin on Mar 28, 2008 16:37:05 GMT
I know some of you will argue otherwise, and I appreciate the reasons cos I felt the same way till recently, but you don't have to just sit there and take what is thrown at you. You can actually do something about it, but it is up to you to do it!
If you are rubbish at your current job, and you are honest with yourself, you'll know it - and you'll know what's coming. If you know you are not cut to be a controller (I'm led to believe that that is the grade that will staff all control rooms in the future) - you'll know what's coming. So you have two choices; either sit there and take it as it comes, or get yourself ready to move on.
Service control is changing, to meet the new rooms and technology - either move with it or move on. That, in reality, is what is happening. I've made my choice public....
EDIT: As to the current McDonalds talk......LUL is a big company and I'm only one of around 16000 staff; as long as the opportunities are there when I want them, I really couldn't give a monkeys.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 16:53:37 GMT
Not working on lul now but remembering when the L/Controllers for the District were at Earls Court, what is the reason they have been moved to Baker Street, and do the Earls Court control room signal operators still control the District line signalling or has that moved to Baker Street also?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 17:00:22 GMT
Earls Court CR is owned by the Picc and they wanted us out basically !
Signal Ops are Picc staff and they operate the District too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 21:13:55 GMT
Thanks for the reply Supacontroller, that move to Baker Street for the L/C must make his job even more difficult then it ever was, at least when he / she was in the same control room with the signal men / women the overall picture of how the service was running must have been easier and when trouble occured easier to sort out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2008 22:28:18 GMT
Well I don't think your in a position to comment then are you ? Just like to add that when incidents occur, everyone thinks that they could do the LC's job better than the person on shift. . . . . . come on then lads put in for it, I'll even train you. Captain Hindsight always has 20/20 vision. I love to hate all the people who come along after the event and say why didn't you do XYZ? It's easy to be a smartie-pants when you've had hours to think about it, not so easy to sit on the desk and deal with the incident, when you have to think on your feet and make the decision in a matter of seconds. I've seen a few drivers come up to spend a shift with me and leave with their eyes opened - if you think it's so easy why don't you have a go at it? Oh, and nice to see another LC posting on here  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2008 1:00:34 GMT
Captain Hindsight always has 20/20 vision. What a top expression ! ;D ;D ;D ;D <memorises for future use > ;D  |
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Post by Dmitri on Mar 29, 2008 14:27:31 GMT
when incidents occur, everyone thinks that they could do the LC's job better than the person on shift 'Each one thinks he's a strategist when looking at the battle from outside' . Captain Hindsight always has 20/20 vision Great.... is it copyrighted ? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2008 21:18:57 GMT
Captain Hindsight always has 20/20 vision Great.... is it copyrighted ? Yes - copyright, me, 2008. But you can borrow it if you like ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2008 21:24:29 GMT
Oh, and nice to see another LC posting on here Thanks tfc, Is TMc still a LC on the Northern ? Used to be a Guard with him years ago !! He's a TSSA H&S rep on full time release, although still retains his substantive position. I actually took over his roster position when I qualified 18 months ago - he got released when I passed out. |
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