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Post by metman on Nov 21, 2009 20:08:24 GMT
When A60/62 units divided from 8 to 4 cars. This finished in winter 1981 didn't it? It took place at Watford and Uxbridge to I think. Anywhere else?
It must have moved to Rickmansworth so trains could be stabled I would guess?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2009 21:16:44 GMT
The Amershams uncoupled as per my previous post. Uxbridge's at Uxbridge and Watfords at Watford. Because the Watford service required 7x4, there was 1x4 left over which, I think went to Rickmanworth.
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Post by ruislip on Nov 21, 2009 22:12:08 GMT
When A60/62 units divided from 8 to 4 cars. This finished in winter 1981 didn't it? It took place at Watford and Uxbridge to I think. Anywhere else? It must have moved to Rickmansworth so trains could be stabled I would guess? According to Mike Horne's Capital Transport line history of the Met, The Metropolitan Line An Illustrated History,"uncoupling ... had been abandoned after the 1980 summer." (p92)
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Post by citysig on Nov 21, 2009 22:33:48 GMT
The Met should never have given up the Aylesbury service - then it would have had a diesel fleet, one of which could be used for Chesham! If it hadn't, then I'm sure we would be electric all the way. If you have a look back through the history books, you will see a trend of moving steadily forward and not backward. The electrification moved northwards - the lack of electrification did not move southwards. So no diesel fleet, the Chesham branch would more than likely still be single, and we would still be running it using our own trains as this is the most cost-effective way of running things. Sometimes these threads amaze even me. We start off seeking answers for a temporary operational problem, and end up in very weird and wonderful areas.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2009 10:33:58 GMT
Uncoupling was re-introduced on the Met from 21/4/80 after a relatively bad winter.
Uncoupling was still scheduled in WTT 279 of 6/10/80. Whether or not it actually happened is another matter. Maybe Mike's date is correct.
The "official" abandonment came with WTT 281 of 6/12/82 but in reality it had stopped some time before.
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 22, 2009 11:20:54 GMT
I'm currently away from home - so I can't immediately trundle into the library and check the WTTs; but I vaguely remember these things: - there was some reissuing of WTTs with an 'A' suffix: was it 279/280 or 280/281? IIRC this was in connection with OPO introduction.
- my copies of the Met. WTTs around this period are annotated [1], and I'm pretty sure there is a Traffic Circular reference in one of them which might well provide some answers.
[1] I think, because these were part of a larger collection that has passed to me - the maintainer of that collection was exceptionally good at maintaining amendments!
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Post by vato on Nov 23, 2009 9:10:21 GMT
An inauspicious start - the 07:16 didn't even get to Chesham until 07:33 - although there was a connection at Chalfont & Latimer, it was jam packed.
I just dream of having a modern integrated transport system...
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Post by metman on Nov 27, 2009 18:03:11 GMT
I suspect there was no PM service between Aldgate and Amersham this evening. Big problems at Neasden I think can anyone expand? Also if this gets to the right person, can someone have a look at 5210, think there's a case of high shoes at the trailing end!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 19:03:41 GMT
I suspect there was no PM service between Aldgate and Amersham this evening. Big problems at Neasden I think can anyone expand? Also if this gets to the right person, can someone have a look at 5210, think there's a case of high shoes at the trailing end! 25 points failing at Neasden (they also had trouble with them this morning) so no start ups from Neasden Depot could come out the South end. Instead, they would have come out for their own working at Wembley Park Northbound. There have been numerous problems with points at Neasden this week and Tubelines are obviously doing a fantastic job of maintaining them!
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Post by citysig on Nov 28, 2009 9:53:35 GMT
Also if this gets to the right person, can someone have a look at 5210, think there's a case of high shoes at the trailing end! I don't know if we have any train technicians on here. There's certainly some depot staff. I'm not in work until Monday, and hopefully by then it will have been spotted. Shame in a way. We could have had one of the first "live" fault reports / resolutions on the forum ;D
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Post by messiah on Nov 28, 2009 20:18:17 GMT
I don't know if we have any train technicians on here. There's certainly some depot staff. I'm not in work until Monday, and hopefully by then it will have been spotted. Shame in a way. We could have had one of the first "live" fault reports / resolutions on the forum ;D I've worked in a few different jobs, and if someone had reported an issue to a message board that I had read related to any of my jobs I wouldn't have waited until Monday morning when I got back in work before passing on the word to the appropriate person responsible.
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Post by citysig on Nov 28, 2009 22:42:51 GMT
I've worked in a few different jobs, and if someone had reported an issue to a message board that I had read related to any of my jobs I wouldn't have waited until Monday morning when I got back in work before passing on the word to the appropriate person responsible. Well perhaps none of those jobs was the London Underground. Rest assured, at least as far as I see each and every day at work, our staff are experienced enough to recognise faults with equipment they work with fairly quickly, and as such I can pretty much guarantee that with or without this forum, if the train has a fault then it will probably have been found soon enough - particularly if the fault is on a driving end of a train. My post was meant to be fairly light-hearted. The last thing I am going to start doing is start telephoning my colleagues to inform them of each and every thing the members here have spotted (no disrespect intended towards metman. There is the possibility the fault mentioned may have been the case). Let's just think about how many calls I would need to make if we started an online reporting service here. I field enough calls of that nature during my shifts. So much as we do value the huge amounts of input, ideas and suggestions from this place, and we know that those who can change things do visit here, there has to be a line we draw between this place and us running the railway. Rest assured, if on Monday afternoon (I don't do mornings ) I get a call that suggests 5210 has any sort of problem that could be related to high shoes, it will be attended to and I will keep in mind where I heard it first ;D
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Post by metman on Nov 28, 2009 23:01:27 GMT
Yeah, I'm not a rolling stock engineer, I could be wrong of course! I don't think the problem was a major one although there was a lot of sparking from the collector shoe. The PCM was ticking away as the line breakers kicked in and out. 5210 is a middle motor so it was just being pulled along in the middle of the train! I'm sure if there is a problem one of the guys will sort it out. If someone was passing by they could just stick there head in an have a look!
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 29, 2009 2:49:35 GMT
I field enough calls of that nature during my shifts. Do you swim the Hellespont or get someone else to do it for you? ;D ;D
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Post by citysig on Nov 29, 2009 19:44:07 GMT
Let me just say that we, as a grade, are Kings (and indeed Queens) of the sport known as "Hot Potato Passing." Whenever one is passed to me, I am nearly always looking to the person I am about to pass it to. In my time in the grade, I've never, so far, suffered burnt fingers ;D ;D
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Post by metman on Nov 29, 2009 20:07:11 GMT
Sounds like England's Rugby Union team could do with you! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 21:57:28 GMT
Let me just say that we, as a grade, are Kings (and indeed Queens) of the sport known as "Hot Potato Passing." Whenever one is passed to me, I am nearly always looking to the person I am about to pass it to. In my time in the grade, I've never, so far, suffered burnt fingers ;D ;D I'll remember that when we are working together on Friday & Saturday!! My asbestos gloves are already in my bag!
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Post by citysig on Nov 30, 2009 22:21:30 GMT
Yeah, I'm not a rolling stock engineer, I could be wrong of course! I don't think the problem was a major one although there was a lot of sparking from the collector shoe. The PCM was ticking away as the line breakers kicked in and out. 5210 is a middle motor so it was just being pulled along in the middle of the train! I'm sure if there is a problem one of the guys will sort it out. If someone was passing by they could just stick there head in an have a look! Well what do you know ;D This afternoon, a report of a train with half-car lighting at Watford. There is a known issue with the current rail in one of the platforms there, with it being slightly on the low side. Some trains are more sensitive than others, and sure enough this train was fine once it left southbound. What drew my attention was that leading car was 5211, with, you guessed it, 5210 in the middle. The train wasn't removed from service immediately (a train technician met the train at Harrow, where it was deemed fit to continue in service) but the fault - together with the information I gleaned from "somewhere " will be looked at tonight in Neasden depot. So we got there in the end, just strange nothing was noticed over the weekend (of course it may not have been out and about over the weekend.)
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Post by metman on Nov 30, 2009 22:36:07 GMT
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