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Post by TMBA on Feb 1, 2008 22:01:08 GMT
When did the East London line close? as memory serves the 22nd of December 2007. So why is Sonia the DVA still announcing to the passengers to change at Whitechapel for the East London line? I noticed a Station person sticking a notice to the eastbound noticeboard this morning advising us to announce to the passengers to change here ( Whitechapel ) for the East London line bus service  Highly confusing to say the least  Apparently I've heard through the grapevine that the DVA wont be updated till the 8th of Feb, nearly 2 months after the event. What I've been doing is making sure that Sonia only announces Whitechapel then pressing the fall back button to stop her announcing to change for ELL, I dunno if will do any good but it all helps I suppose, and then making sure I put it on the trouble card. Has anyone else noticed this? comments please, and if you have had a unit that has been altered does it announce the same from both ends. TMBA |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2008 0:58:38 GMT
AFAIK all D stcoks will continue to announce the East London Line until the software is updated, and no instructions have been issued to drivers to try and overcome the problem in the meantime. Pressing the fallback button at the appropriate moment stops the audible announcement but does not stop the display from giving the wrong information.
The lack of a decent replacement bus service seems to be causing confusion - I was showing a trainee around Whitechapel recently and got a right earbashing from a passenger who couldn't believe how rubbish the replacement buses were - I could only agree with her!
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Post by Colin on Feb 2, 2008 1:15:06 GMT
I'm reliably informed that this issue has gone right to the top (as in TOT) and a lot of pressure is being applied from that level downwards  There have been a few 'hiccups' to say the least; there has been a lot of words exchanged 'behind the scenes' in a effort to get the issue rectified - mid february is probably more realistic, and the trains will be modified over something like 2 weeks (not days as it should have been). If anyone wishes for me to state my source (as some people seem to take exception when I happen to hear about something and further seem to question how I know  :  - PM me (that's LUL staff only, of course) and I'll reveal all. Please be aware though, I'm unavailable all this weekend. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Feb 2, 2008 2:22:35 GMT
I'm reliably informed that this issue has gone right to the top (as in TOT) As in the old staff magazine <very big >? |
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Post by Alight on Feb 2, 2008 14:42:59 GMT
I didn't know the District line was Sonia - I thought it was a weird sounding Emma!
Yeah When they update, I'm guessing it will also get rid of the "Alights" and change these for "Exit"....(this is Metronet's new thing according to an e-mail from them)
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Post by superteacher on Feb 3, 2008 20:50:20 GMT
2 months - that's nothing! As I mentioned elasewhere, it was 9 years before they updated the Central line one!
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Post by simonalvelos on Feb 4, 2008 21:09:26 GMT
Yeah and also on approaching Kings Cross the H&C says "alight for the Royal Institute for Blind People" but the Circle says "alight for the Royal Institute for the Blind". Just noticed that today, if I heard it correctly.  |
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Post by 21146 on Feb 8, 2008 18:19:08 GMT
I don't know why LU is still referring to the East London Line on stations and trains. As an LU service it closed for ever in December 2007 and is now effectively a London Overground "under construction" route. As such the bus services (such as they are) are LO, not LU, rail replacement services. Since LU is not including their status on the station "rainbow screens" (e.g. ELS minor delays, ELW part-suspended due to an RTA in Wapping etc) it should now merit no more attention than any other non-LU service and not be the subject of constant repeated recorded PA announcements banging on about "the TFL investment programme....".
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Post by Alight on Feb 8, 2008 20:10:51 GMT
Yes, I definately agree with you 21146; especially the scenario with the website service update. In my opinion I feel it should be placed in the LO section of the website as it is quite irrelavant to many people except those who do rely on the small route the ELL had to offer and of course all the big extentions which wern't there in the first place anyhow.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 21, 2008 19:03:34 GMT
AT LAST!
I had units 7508+7009 this morning and the DVA had been modified, yippee!
At Whitechapel it said "change for East London Line . . replacement bus service". At Barking it said "change for London Overground and National Rail services".
Also, as other lines are reporting, "alight for . . " has been replaced with "exit for . . ".
(for those pushing CIS buttons the new numbers in 'version info' were:
system 2.06
STC 2.05
CCT 2.00
CCP 1.07
RPP 1.00
ID 1.31
ED 1.31
ESU 1.00
DB 1.08 )
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Post by towerman on Feb 21, 2008 19:42:39 GMT
All the D stocks I've been on since the East London Line closed have said "change for East London Line bus replacement service".As an aside I see in the Metro this morning the ELP service is being withdrawn due to lack of patronage and an enhanced service will operate on the 381.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2008 20:01:33 GMT
AT LAST! I had units 7508+7009 this morning and the DVA had been modified, yippee! At Whitechapel it said "change for East London Line . . replacement bus service". I noticed that last night, it does sound disjointed with the "Bus service" added, it would have been better if the whole announcement was redone. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2008 20:18:30 GMT
44 units have so far been converted to the updated announcement (out of 150, although a few are still being refurbished).
I had one yesterday and they have now added "exit for Whitechapel gallery" to the Aldgate East announcement - a pointless addition IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2008 23:14:31 GMT
West Brompton now has change for London Overground and National Rail services.
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Post by happybunny on Feb 24, 2008 14:37:52 GMT
Are there any other changes to the DVA with this update? I.E. at Tower Hill have they reduced all the rubbish it announces? It needs some changes and also needs to be quicker to respond to the instructions from the driver, i.e. mind the doors.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2008 21:12:06 GMT
Are there any other changes to the DVA with this update? I.E. at Tower Hill have they reduced all the rubbish it announces? It needs some changes and also needs to be quicker to respond to the instructions from the driver, i.e. mind the doors. Ha, you wish! No. |
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Post by happybunny on Feb 25, 2008 1:02:43 GMT
Yes I got a train with a new edition DVA today... still the same rubbish... and still after 2 stations handset came off hook and fall-back button pressed for remainder of journey! OOpsss... I don't really do that.. promise  nah in all honesty I usually leave the DVA on in the day but will cut it out early if I wish to, don't wait for it to finish before closing doors.... but it doesn't usually come to life on my train until about 6am (don't want waking up with that at 5 in the morning thanks) and it is usually fast asleep by about 11pm! lol |
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Post by Chris M on Feb 25, 2008 1:16:52 GMT
I get the impression that if you waited for the DVA to finish before closing the doors, the dwell times would treble off peak at stations like Tower Hill!
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Post by happybunny on Feb 25, 2008 1:19:26 GMT
You are probs right Chris M .. at Tower Hill off peak it is far too long. If you are terminating there, you can have changed ends by the time the tannoy has finished !
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Post by Colin on Feb 25, 2008 12:54:06 GMT
Whilst I can only nod in agreement with regard to the likes of the Tower Hill announcement (and be grateful it doesn't even mention the Circle line when going east ;D ;D) - to be fair, there are standards laid down by LUL, RVAR, DDA, etc, etc which the DVA bods have to abide by. |
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Post by Alight on Feb 25, 2008 20:11:02 GMT
I had one yesterday and they have now added "exit for Whitechapel gallery" to the Aldgate East announcement - a pointless addition IMHO. Ridiculous! Just an excuse. I take it the District Line is Emma Clarkes? If so It means she is still being used by LU. |
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Post by happybunny on Feb 26, 2008 0:45:36 GMT
If they announced every single London attraction it would just be stupid, and we know there are more important/well known attractions than the Whitechapel Gallery.. so maybe that is what they are aiming for! It is really getting beyond a joke now!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2008 13:42:10 GMT
I don't know why LU is still referring to the East London Line on stations and trains. As an LU service it closed for ever in December 2007 and is now effectively a London Overground "under construction" route. As such the bus services (such as they are) are LO, not LU, rail replacement services. Since LU is not including their status on the station "rainbow screens" (e.g. ELS minor delays, ELW part-suspended due to an RTA in Wapping etc) it should now merit no more attention than any other non-LU service and not be the subject of constant repeated recorded PA announcements banging on about "the TFL investment programme....". I noticed today at South Kensington, the service information screen showed 'bus service' for the East London line rather than 'planned closure'. However, 'planned closure' was still showing on the whiteboards. Also, the train I was on today still had line maps saying to change at Ealing Broadway for trains to Heathrow from Summer 2005!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2008 22:00:36 GMT
I noticed today at South Kensington, the service information screen showed 'bus service' for the East London line rather than 'planned closure'. However, 'planned closure' was still showing on the whiteboards. This seems to be a general change, made in the last few days. I've seen the same thing at other stations. As the "bus service" is shown blue on white (Same as "good service" and "minor service") rather than white on blue ("severe delays" or "part closure") it avoids giving undue prominence to the East London when glancing at the board. |
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Post by rrbs on Mar 4, 2008 14:13:13 GMT
Just catching up on some threads - 21146 the reason the ELL continue to be displayed on maps etc is that London Underground has assumed responsibility for keeping people moving until such time as an Overground train turns a wheel in anger. So it is still very much LU's responsibility.
Mr RRBS
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Post by District Dave on Mar 5, 2008 9:22:19 GMT
For what? I take it the District Line is Emma Clarkes? If so It means she is still being used by LU. I understand the new recordings were done some time before the famous falling out; I have an email at work from one of the project engineers - I'll try to post anything else relevant. |
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Post by Alight on Mar 5, 2008 18:31:15 GMT
I meant - "Just an excuse for another exit"
I know many probably feel the same way however I do take on board that the exit can be useful to the gallery itself - publicity. On the other hand, tourists in desperate search for the gallery would no doubt exit at Whitechapel anyhow.
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Post by District Dave on Mar 5, 2008 21:37:22 GMT
I meant - "Just an excuse for another exit" I know many probably feel the same way however I do take on board that the exit can be useful to the gallery itself - publicity. On the other hand, tourists in desperate search for the gallery would no doubt exit at Whitechapel anyhow. This is therefore just one of those neither right nor wrong discussions isn;t it? On your wider 'downer' of the difference between 'alight' and 'exit' let us be clear that in this day and age few of the general population probably understand what 'alight' means though they may cope with 'exit'. Does it really matter? |
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Post by Alight on Mar 6, 2008 20:16:45 GMT
This is therefore just one of those neither right nor wrong discussions isn;t it? On your wider 'downer' of the difference between 'alight' and 'exit' let us be clear that in this day and age few of the general population probably understand what 'alight' means though they may cope with 'exit'. Does it really matter? In answer to Para1, indeed it is; many may agree Exit at Whitechapel is useful whereas others may disagree due to information overload. In answer to Para2, in my 'wider downer'? I know too well the issues associated with 'alight' and know that both words have a subtle difference. In my opinion, it doesn't make a difference, and probably the majority would have a greater understanding and liking to the work 'exit'. I myself often go with the minority thus its 'alight' for me as still expressed on the Piccadilly Line. I like the way the term is unique. I am not trying to be obsessive, just show an interest in issues others may not find as important. I don't show much of an interest in signalling/track however I fully understand why people would. LU brings joy to everyone ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2008 20:34:12 GMT
LU brings joy to everyone ;D Apart from when you're delayed! |
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nah in all honesty I usually leave the DVA on in the day but will cut it out early if I wish to, don't wait for it to finish before closing doors.... but it doesn't usually come to life on my train until about 6am (don't want waking up with that at 5 in the morning thanks) and it is usually fast asleep by about 11pm! lol
