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Post by simonalvelos on Dec 13, 2007 14:31:58 GMT
I travel through Tower Hill westbound often, and I always look out if a train is at Platform 2 and that the sign points to that train for next departure. If so I always enjoy running across, and then look back at the others sitting there whilst I'm leaving! A bit cruel, but clever
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Post by Phil on Dec 13, 2007 15:38:11 GMT
............ and then look back at the others sitting there whilst I'm leaving! Perhaps they're thinking "Sad G** (guy! ). Is he really in that much hurry? - I'm quite comfortable here!" (And yes, just like many of us, I too used do it if I felt the neeed )
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2007 16:12:10 GMT
Its often quite amusing at Acton when you get Piccs in both eastbound platforms, everyone just assumes that the one leaving from the fast will go first so bombs across, even when the driver is shouting "this train will be leaving first.. this train will be leaving first..." as happened recently!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2007 16:18:37 GMT
Don't put too much faith in that sign! I've been sat there waiting to depart and my train has been given the green signal while the arrow is pointing at the other platform.
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Post by william on Dec 13, 2007 16:43:18 GMT
I travel through Tower Hill westbound often, and I always look out if a train is at Platform 2 and that the sign points to that train for next departure. If so I always enjoy running across, and then look back at the others sitting there whilst I'm leaving! A bit cruel, but clever Not so clever if the T/Op closes the doors before you get half way across. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2007 17:33:22 GMT
the signs are fed from the programme machine but i think the signal op has a overide button
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2007 18:36:26 GMT
Its often quite amusing at Acton when you get Piccs in both eastbound platforms, everyone just assumes that the one leaving from the fast will go first so bombs across, even when the driver is shouting "this train will be leaving first.. this train will be leaving first..." as happened recently!!! Yeah, I've lost count of the number of times I've stood at Arnos just repeating "The train on Platform 3 will be first train.. The train on platform three is the first train to Central London... Platform 3 is the first train..." while a train slides into platform four and everyone tries to jump on it.
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Post by c5 on Dec 14, 2007 0:05:26 GMT
the signs are fed from the programme machine but i think the signal op has a overide button That machine's "normal" mode is Programme Only and the sign will operate according to the number on the roll, so if the number is for a train from platform 2, the sign will point to platform 2. If the machine is in button or first come then the sign will not show anything and will need to be operated manually. As the service operator can only see about a minute east of Tower Hill on the signal diagram it is not unknown for the sign to be changed, often at short notice!
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Post by superteacher on Dec 27, 2007 0:08:21 GMT
Leytonstone westbound has got to be the worst. Often, trains arrive simultaneously in the two westbound platforms. Then, it is a lottery to work out which goes first! Sometimes, they both depart at the same time - this is possible since there are two westbound lines for about half a mile out of Leytonstone before they merge into one. When this happens, obviously one train will be checked at a signal (or block marker board while the other sails past). I have seen this alarm passengers on some occasions, because they know thet the two tracks are about to merge, and think that the trains are going to crash!
More annoyingly, there are times when one train departs from Leytonstone and then stops outside the station, sometimes for up to two minutes, where it waits for the train behind to go first. Surely it wouldn't hurt for the train in front to be allowed to continue - is it that important to keep them in the right order, just for 600 passgengers to sit on a train for two minutes without moving?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 0:57:25 GMT
I've experienced this at Earl's Court. My train came up the Wimby branch and had a long dwell time at Earl's. Another District pulled up on the opposite platform and to my annoyance, leaves before ours! We leave about a minute later and to my surprise, the train which left before mine was being held in the tunnel waiting for my train to go by!
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Post by metman on Dec 27, 2007 13:11:21 GMT
Same as Tower Hill happens at Harrow on the Hill-thankfully, I know what a platform repeater means!!
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Post by c5 on Dec 27, 2007 14:45:40 GMT
Same as Tower Hill happens at Harrow on the Hill-thankfully, I know what a platform repeater means!! Apart from having an Amersham on platform 1 and (2 or 3) the same can't happen!!!! They are talking about trains being held at Advance Starters, whilst another runs round. At Earl's Court this can happen WB to Wimbledon and also EB to Gloucester Road. The WB Advance Starters at Acton Town to Ealing Common can also be the same!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 18:19:26 GMT
the t/d signs are earls court e/b have a NEXT TRAIN TO DEPART WITH A ARROW this are fed from what are called train descriminators the programme machines for the starters decide what goes first then this is fed into the descriminators which light up the sign when they eventually take down the signs at earls court these added signs will also be taken down but not replaced until they bring back the old signs once refurbed the only way the signal operator has controll over this sign is they have to put either S5 (plat 1) or S9 (plat 2) into push button mode and once the signal has been selected it will show the sign to the relevent platform but because say two upministers enter the platforms at same time but both signals clear at same time EC 6 and EC 11 rt2 its usually the route from platform 1 will get to the junctipon first as to clear EC 6 u need to also select EC 7 either rt1 or rt 2 this does not happen very often though and on a note this only applys to earls court different sites use different arrangements so its not a standard pratice anyone who works on LUL will know nothing is to a standard
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 11:50:04 GMT
The trouble with the arrangement at Earls Court eastbound (apart from the fact that nobody can see it at the moment for all the scaffolding!) is that the arrow really means first train to reach Gloucester Road. There's no guarantee that the trains will leave Earls Court in that order, if both have a clear signal. I've seen people look at the arrow, get on the train indicated to leave first, then do a dash across the platform when the other one closes the doors. They will then see the train they were on originally go past them between Earls Court and Gloucester Road!
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Post by railtechnician on Dec 28, 2007 12:01:31 GMT
Generally speaking the arrows and train descriptions are only relevant while the train is held at a red signal. Once the starter is cleared the arrow may or may not change depending upon the circuitry. It will definitely change once the train drops onto the replacing track of the starter.
Camden Town was the place where people grumbled most about the arrows because they invariably pointed to the train that was next to leave (nothing wrong with that) even though the previous train had not yet departed usually sitting at a green!
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Post by happybunny on Dec 28, 2007 13:59:05 GMT
EAB as well has that trouble (when the arrows are working) they indicate platform nine is first train out for example, but train on platform 7 has stick off and driver still changing ends
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Post by Tubeboy on Dec 28, 2007 14:26:20 GMT
High Barnet too. Got on the [supposed] first train, but it was the third! ;D
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Post by happybunny on Dec 28, 2007 16:46:15 GMT
Even on the Central where it is the most up-to-date signalling, I have sign the arrows at EAB change suddenly, then the other train quickly leave. I don't think there is any terminus station where I could 100% fully put my faith in the "first train out sign". Although on the Central the problem where the sign changes, and points to the next platform/train once the first has been given the green doesn't apply. Though it would be interesting to see what happens when a release is taken on there: EAB Stick for p5 clears, dot matrix shows *** MIND THE DOORS ***... release taken, dot matrix shows *** STOP MINDING THE DOORS *** ?? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 23:19:35 GMT
My method at Upminster if the trains are in platforms 3 and 4 and one of them has the number at the top of the stairs lit, as next train, is to check if the other one has a green signal. If it has then I jump on, as the sign changes to the second as soon as the signal goes green for the first one even if the driver isn't ready to depart.
This system has worked for me for years.
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Post by Oracle on Dec 29, 2007 9:36:57 GMT
We used to do that at Hounslow West, especially as you had at one time three platforms, although only ever two trains in at the same time. On the other hand, selecting the 1938 Stock in preference to 1956/1959 was of course mandatory, even if the former was second out!
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