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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2007 15:50:37 GMT
For the first time today I saw quite a few C Stocks doing the rounds on the District between Earl's Court & Richmond/Ealing Broadway.  I was told by a District driver, who was on his way to Earl's Court to find his missing train ( ;D ), that it was due to a points failure in the Earl's Court area, and apparently platform 1 had been closed. Does anyone have any more info?  Also, would Circle drivers be road trained to do this, or would the trains be handed over to District drivers. And if so, do District drivers have to be trained to use the C Stocks? David (UD) *Photo taken at Barons Court. Sorry for the quality, it was a quick snap on my mobile. |
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Post by Chris M on Sept 22, 2007 16:10:04 GMT
Circle Line drivers are not road trained on parts of the network they don't run on, with the possible exception of Gloucester Road/HSK to Earl's Court. District drivers based at Earl's Court and Acton Town are trained on C stocks as they operate the Wimbleware service. I don't beleive that east-end drivers are trained on C stocks, but I'm sure that one of the resident District T/ops will correct me if I'm wrong
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2007 16:19:56 GMT
well not strictly true about being a points failure it was and it wasnt they did fail this morning (8's) from platform 1 towards gloucester road but the t/o did rectify the problem but the people in charge decided against the idea of running the risk incase they fail again and are now causing mayhem at times around earls court by running most of the edgware roads via platform 1 from ealing and all upminsters and tower hills via platform 2
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2007 16:24:42 GMT
Circle Line drivers are not road trained on parts of the network they don't run on, with the possible exception of Gloucester Road/HSK to Earl's Court. District drivers based at Earl's Court and Acton Town are trained on C stocks as they operate the Wimbleware service. I don't beleive that east-end drivers are trained on C stocks, but I'm sure that one of the resident District T/ops will correct me if I'm wrong Circle and hammersmith & City drivers (who are based at Hammersmith, Edgware Road and Barking) are not trained to and from Earl's Court. but they are trained High Street to Triangle Sidings. All District Acton and Earl's Crews are trained on C stock for operation on District Line only (C Stock not permitted east of Barking). At Upminster and Barking, District, only "pool" drivers and Instructors are required to be licenced to operate C stocks. Pool operators are the newest drivers to the depots who do not have a rostered shift pattern, they cover for absence and may be required to cover a west end turn with C stock working. |
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Post by c5 on Sept 22, 2007 16:30:44 GMT
Also Hammersmith & Circle line Operators are trained for the Tower Hill to Aldgate East section too. They can also operate if needbe into platform 2 at Baker Street, is this on the DVD?
One ran as a 4 Car move a few weeks ago from Acton Works to Hammersmith via Ealing Broadway, operated by Metronet Rail staff though.
I also know of one Circle Operator, who had a wrong signal lowered and accepted at Triangle, they then had to Ealing Common with a pilot ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Colin on Sept 22, 2007 16:43:40 GMT
And yet during my 3 1/ 2 years as a west end district driver, I never took a C stock anywhere other than Wimbledon or Edgware road. Still, I'm in the pool at Upminster; meaning I'm still qualified to drive 'em - so there's still a chance (granted it's highly unlikely though  )........ Oh to drive a train to somewhere different (as in one I'm qualified to drive, on a line I'm road trained on  ;D ;D). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2007 16:48:36 GMT
well not strictly true about being a points failure it was and it wasnt they did fail this morning (8's) from platform 1 towards gloucester road but the t/o did rectify the problem but the people in charge decided against the idea of running the risk incase they fail again and are now causing mayhem at times around earls court by running most of the edgware roads via platform 1 from ealing and all upminsters and tower hills via platform 2 Mayhem ! I'd have thought Ealing - Edgware Road's running via Platform 1 and Wimbledon - Upminster's via platform 2 was the ideal scenario of non-conflicting moves ! (Passengers need keeping on their toes that trains from either route come in on either platform ! lol ! ) ;D ;D  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2007 17:05:13 GMT
Cheers for the answers so far. Does that mean the C's would be coming off the Circle line at Earl's Court, or just doing an extended run from Edgware Road? |
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Post by c5 on Sept 22, 2007 17:14:09 GMT
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Post by Harsig on Sept 22, 2007 19:01:13 GMT
Mayhem ! I'd have thought Ealing - Edgware Road's running via Platform 1 and Wimbledon - Upminster's via platform 2 was the ideal scenario of non-conflicting moves ! Not quite. That service pattern merely shifts the conflicting moves from the eastbound, where they normally are, to the westbound. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2007 19:46:11 GMT
well they have totally susspened high st ken to edgware road now blaming the sigal failure at earls court think lul want metrodebt to loose more money  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2007 21:26:20 GMT
Mayhem ! I'd have thought Ealing - Edgware Road's running via Platform 1 and Wimbledon - Upminster's via platform 2 was the ideal scenario of non-conflicting moves ! Not quite. That service pattern merely shifts the conflicting moves from the eastbound, where they normally are, to the westbound. The only conflicting move I can think of is the conflict at the trailing end of 5 crossover, where the Richmond/Olympia-HSK/Upminster services join the Wimbledon-Tower Hill/Upminster services. At the eastbound, you have the Wimblewares crossing the path of most of the Richmond/Ealing/Olympia-HSK/Tower Hill/Upminster services and the latter crossing the path of the Wimbledon-Upminster services. Either I'm missing something (which I probably am), or the service pattern forced by the failure of 8 crossover actually has fewer conflicting moves than the normal service pattern... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2007 23:54:28 GMT
I wasn't working today, but it sounds like a repeat of what happened a couple of months ago: districtdave.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=district&action=display&thread=1185473841Personally if I have 4 hours of C stock on a duty (which is three trips Wimbledon - Edgware Road) I'm quite glad of a diversion from the norm! Although last time I wished for that was last Sunday when I ended up detraining thorugh the front cab at High St Ken due to a defective Circle in front - be careful what you wish for! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 3:21:48 GMT
The Dists would be Edgware Road - Wimbledon/Ealing/Richmond. Circle Train Ops wouold need to be taken off or piloted from High St Ken or Sth Ken/Glous Road, unless they were ex Dist Ops, with still in date route knowledge! Is this what you mean David?  Yup, that's precisely what I meant...  ;D Cheers. Does anyone know if the C's were going down to Tower Hill, or were they heading back to Edgware Road? |
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Post by c5 on Sept 23, 2007 14:32:42 GMT
I dont know, I thik they were still going to Edgware Road, but due to the failure were using platform 1 at Earls Court, hence running from Ealing/Richmond.
"Usually" if they are diverted on the east at Earls Court they run to Mansion House.
Following the resumption of services after the Metronet Industrial Action they were running (ex Triangle Sdgs) Olympia-Mansion House for a while, then altered to run Putney Bridge-Tower Hill
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Post by trainopd78 on Sept 23, 2007 15:40:36 GMT
well not strictly true about being a points failure it was and it wasnt they did fail this morning (8's) from platform 1 towards gloucester road but the t/o did rectify the problem but the people in charge decided against the idea of running the risk incase they fail again and are now causing mayhem at times around earls court by running most of the edgware roads via platform 1 from ealing and all upminsters and tower hills via platform 2 Mayhem ! I'd have thought Ealing - Edgware Road's running via Platform 1 and Wimbledon - Upminster's via platform 2 was the ideal scenario of non-conflicting moves ! (Passengers need keeping on their toes that trains from either route come in on either platform ! lol ! ) ;D ;D You are quite right there, should be a good idea. But, to compensate, the Tower Hill service was diverted from Ealing to Wimbledon. No problem so far. However, there were quite a few Acton pick ups which put rather large spanners in the works. I'm sure our DMT would have loved a driver clone machine!! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 22:44:02 GMT
Makes me wonder if the service wouldn't run better if we always had Ealing - Edgware Road and Wimbledon - Tower Hill.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 23:03:07 GMT
Has it ever been tried more than twice?
ISTR that during the Southall and Ladbroke Grove incidents, an Ealing-Edgware Road service was started by LU to ferry diverted mainline traffic from the GWML to central London, easing pressure on the Ealing branch of the Central Line. Has this service ever been attempted at any other time?
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Post by Colin on Sept 24, 2007 10:33:24 GMT
Makes me wonder if the service wouldn't run better if we always had Ealing - Edgware Road and Wimbledon - Tower Hill. Just one small problem with the suggested Tower-Wimbo service.........the trains wouldn't go anywhere near a depot, making changeovers a pain (and one of the reasons it was dropped as an off peak service [in favour of Ealings] a few years back). And it'd be twice as hard to do if the only trains going to Ealing were C's! |
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Post by District Dave on Sept 25, 2007 19:17:38 GMT
TOK - I think is right.
The Ladbrooke Grove 'incident' occured not long after I started with LU and I recall on the station at Acton Town what I now know to be C Stocks supplementing the normal service to relieve the situation at EBDY.
I admit I have no idea what pattern they were working.....
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Post by trainopd78 on Sept 26, 2007 18:23:15 GMT
I think it was Ealing Bdy - Edgware Road IIRC. It was done to suppliment the normal Ealing service. I've thrown my notebooks from that period so I can't check. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2007 22:52:20 GMT
Makes me wonder if the service wouldn't run better if we always had Ealing - Edgware Road and Wimbledon - Tower Hill. Not for those of us who travel between Bayswater and East Putney it wouldn't! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2007 2:23:12 GMT
Makes me wonder if the service wouldn't run better if we always had Ealing - Edgware Road and Wimbledon - Tower Hill. Not for those of us who travel between Bayswater and East Putney it wouldn't! Nor for us East end drivers on our last trip back |
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Post by Colin on Oct 24, 2007 1:13:28 GMT
This thread seems as good as any; sorry about the quality but I had to get some sort of image..................... of a C stock.............................. In Upminster depot - last night, on 33 road:  Unit numbers, for those interested, are 5552 at the west end, 5579 in the middle & 5724 at the east end. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 1:57:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 10:57:52 GMT
Does anyone know why the C stock was at upminster Depot on 23/10/07
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 11:08:39 GMT
I encountered it earlier in the day, in daylight !  I examined it for scrapes (my mind must have been running along the same lines as TOK!), and found all 6 cars to have a parallell scrape, slightly worse on the 4 C69 cars. However whist it has clearly connected with somthing, it was about 4 inches up the body side, not on the sole bar (you can see it on close exam of the picture, notably on the red by the cab door where it has also dented the alluminium), but given it's height I have some doubts it was in contact with a platform edge, so it may be unrelated to it's trip east ! Unless a C stock body hangs lower than a D stock ? I wonder why it was at Upminster? |
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Post by Colin on Oct 24, 2007 11:45:55 GMT
Nice pic Aspect Having looked at that dent on the front corner, I'm fairly sure I've seen that before - meaning it isn't recent; I can't be sure though..........did it look fresh? As for it's purpose? Gauging runs to see if they fit east of Dagenham/Upney/Barking - wherever it is they're known to get too close to platforms. If all goes well, they will visit Upminster more regularly for a go on the wheel lathe. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 18:21:27 GMT
Having examined numerous C stock today more carefully, a large number of them have the same scrape along the body at that height, so whilst they seem to be (have been) catching something somewhere, it isn't unique to the train at Upminster.
It would be good to see them authorised over the full route ... "Train 74, divert to Upminster this trip please, cover a gap" !!! or "reform 234 due to stable at Barking and run it to Upminster and back" lol ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 19:10:55 GMT
It would be good to see them authorised over the full route ... "Train 74, divert to Upminster this trip please, cover a gap" !!! or "reform 234 due to stable at Barking and run it to Upminster and back" lol ;D ;D Ooh, I'd love to take a C stock to Upminster! I've never got further than Tower Hill. |
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