WM400

Push Button all three at once, much easier, ;D ;D ;D ;D
particuarly if you have been delayed at The Broadway as the Programme Machine has delayed you in, by clearing for the one in the platform early

Ealing Common as a sit is indeed knackered! The timing and workings of the PMs are rubbish too

Its the mornings that are absolute hell! Reversing at Acton sidings and trains from both ends of Ealing Common, and trying to keep as much of it in turn as possible!

I will do my best, in exchange for brekkie from the canteen ;D ;D

The timing is out and Tubelines (the maintainer) are having trouble "fixing" it, they have changed bits, but to no avail!
It does it for about 2 or 3 trains per hour and clears up to 4 mins early!

Maybe the signalling equipment is so old, that they don't actually make parts to fix it any more!

No. That can't be right ;D ;D ;D ;D

A visit to the Musuem perhaps - And I'm not joking ;D

Interestingly they not long ago modified EC300 with (IIRC) some 'new technology' to get it working more predictably (Ithink was the explanation).

I posed the question then that if they could do it on that one why could the others which are not working at all be similarly modified. Unsurprisingly, I got no response. Oh - sorry - I did - one answer. It comprised a single word 'Pass'.

Thanks to TOK for digging up those threads - I knew there was something already about it

Thanks for that Pat - shows how much you can believe of what you read in the TC!

I well remember you removing the inductor rail for WM400, and I always point out it's current location to trainees to explain why WM400 does not work!

So - let me get this right - if ALL the inductor rails were to be removed/deactivated or whatever and the signals involved were to have a similar timing section installed as is the case with EC300, does this mean that all those would then work to allow trains to approach their associated signals?

If this is the case, is it a massive job? If it isn't, why isn't it done - or are the T/Ops being relied on to be fully aware of the signals in question?

These draw up signals are a joke ! Most of them don't work !

WM 400 is by far the worst since WM 4 clears way before WM400 does, it's a real SPAD trap !

When I was new to the line I was warned EC100 didn't work, but that was the only one.

As far as I can tell WM230 doesn't work either. I have never managed to get past that until WM23A has also cleared.

What is it with WD40A, B & C at Hammersmith, I know there is a speed inductor there, but either they don't clear, or they all clear ...how comes they never just drop off as the train in front departs ?

Now EC 300 at Earl's Court .. that stopped working and I seem to recollect Tom of this forum saying it was replaced with a new set up ....why can't they fit this new set up to the rest of them !
Even so now EC300 seems to drop whatever you do ?? This is still a dangerous signal, as it has no repeater for the signal it draws you up to and you can't see EC3 when EC300 clears. Besides what is the point of it ? surely a spad at EC3 wouldn't foul the points anyway ? Is it ever possible to see either of the REC300's at anything other than yellow ?!

I once saw EE230 and EE225 both showing green at Gloucester Road, but only after some unfortunate Circle driver had been set back past them both

That old favourite EJ100 at Tower Hill seems to be playing up yet again. It had played up, then they sorted it and yet again, it seems impossible to get it to clear whatever speed you approach at ! Mind you I think the speed testing section is too close to it anyway, to have to do the minimum 15mph to get it to clear puts you awfully close to it for stopping if it doesn't clear ! Why on earth do they have minimum approach speeds anyway ? Whats the point of that !

Why do some draw ups clear to green if the signal you are drawing upto is green yet others don't. eg EN360 will be green if EN 36 is green, that seems sensible. But EN 350 remains red and speed checks you (giving a red and green aspect) even if EN35 is green anyway !

My final whinge is, err, i think, FF60 approaching Barking when there is a train in the platform, why do you sometimes get cleared to FF59 (so you can see the train in front) yet other times you get held for eternity at FF60 (where you can't see what's going on). Then sometimes after ages FF60 clears and you move up to FF59, othertimes FF60 eventually clears at the same time as FF59, FF58A and FF58B ... all serving to delay ones already delayed progress ! (is this all just the signaller playing games ?)

There ... I feel better for that !!! ;D

Correct - it doesn't work. It hasn't worked for all of my 3 and bit years on the District - in fact all three of my I/O's made a point of telling me so it's been like it for a while now ;D ;D

They are fixed Yellow's - as is RWP17 at Ealing Broadway.

with regard to EJ100 @ Tower Hill, I would suspect this has something to do with proving you are going slow enough to enter the bay road - providing it's clear of course!

Can't say I've had the pleasure of seeing that one - actually, wouldn't that be a reportable signalling irregularity?

We've been there before with FF60 - though admittedly some time ago now:
www.districtdave.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=district&action=display&thread=1134054691&page=1

I can assure you with absolute cast iron certainty that REC300 and REC300.3 are both fixed yellow's.

Just to be clear, REC300 is just before the Eastbound crosses the line to Olympia; and REC300.3 is located at the entrance to the covered way under Earls Court exhibition centre.

It is a fairly big job - the next one to go is on the Metropolitan Line at Marlborough Road which I'm due to be testing.

Where the inductors have been replaced (as opposed to being decommissioned) proper 'two shot' timing sections have been installed, replacing the old Delta with JR circuits.

I'm not sure if there are plans to do more replacements, but some locations are a higher priority than others.

OK Tom, why use a "two shot" timing section when one will do? Surely the one meets the full speed overlap requirements or do you need two for a high speed approach? Also, what's a JR circuit as opposed to a delta loop?

Thanks to aetearlscourt and all for their comments on all those District signals I quoted, much appreciated guys !

As for REC300 and REC300.1 I do remain curious as to what the score is with them. I have never seen them at green, so I suppose the question is, If the button for EC3 is pushed in good time and thus shows green, does EC300 ? If EC300 will only clear on approach regardless of the aspect on EC3, then you are past both REC300's before it clears.



You miss my point Colin, I wondered why there was a MINIMUM speed for getting EJ100 to clear, NOT a MAXIMUM speed.

In that if you pass the timing section at a speed of betweeen 1 - 14mph it will NOT clear on approach, If you pass at a speed of 15 - 20mph it will clear on approach, above 20mph it wont clear on approach. If it doesn't claer on approach it will clear once your stopped, or virtually stopped at it. (I think they are the speeds, but you get the idea)

(when it works, at the moment, it will only clear when you have or are virtually stopped at it)

My Question was why the Minimum, coupled with the observation that if you do approach at 15mph you need to be fully alert, because by the time you know it hasn't dropped, you must brake hard and fast !



It's always done that, take a look next time you are routed into Platform 1 at Whitechapel when the starter is clear, perhaps you have always assumed the starter has cleared just as you went through the timing section, but you do get a view of the starter long before that as you approach Whitechapel.
It doesn't do it on platform 2 though.