|
|
Post by ruislip on Apr 5, 2007 2:56:24 GMT
When the District served Uxbridge, were the only services it provided shuttles to places like South Harrow or South Acton; or did trains operate between Uxbridge and points east like Upminster, Barking, etc.?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2007 10:34:05 GMT
There were through trains to central London, but I don't know where the eastern terminus was (termini were?).
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2007 10:52:37 GMT
Keep in mind that back before the 1930s, the District service was probably far less intensive than it is today, leaving more than enough paths for a full through service from Uxbridge.
Keep in mind that before the Piccadilly was extended west of Hammersmith, the District ran to Richmond, Ealing, Hounslow, Uxbridge, Wimbledon AND Olympia! The law of averages pretty much dictates that each branch didn't have a particularly intense service (at least as far as modern LU timetabling is concerned).
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2007 12:57:15 GMT
The district didn't reach Upminster until around 1935, at least on its own track. I'm trying to remember when the "Steam Specials" between Ealing and Southend via the then LMS tracks and engines finished.
|
|
Oracle
In memoriam
RIP 2012
Writing is such sweet sorrow: like heck it is!
Posts: 3,234
|
Post by Oracle on Apr 5, 2007 16:32:42 GMT
30th Septmber 939 was when the through Electric Loco service, via Barking, finished. Steam was obviously used Barking onwards.
I distinctly remember that the Fares board at Hounslow West, certainly in the Sixties, mentioned through fares to Southend. Was this true?
|
|
|
|
Post by tubeprune on Apr 6, 2007 6:34:41 GMT
The Disrict ran through trains to South Harrow during the peaks, usually from Barking. They often used F Stock which they split at Acton Town - 5 cars to Ealing and 3 to S Harrow. There were variations with different timetables. In 1932 the District electric services were extended to Upminster and the S Harrow and Uxbridge services withdrawn (various dates in that year). I don't think the District was allowed to run through to Uxbridge because it was Met. Rly property between S Harrow and Uxbridge.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2007 0:35:35 GMT
What used to run between S Harrow and Rayners Lane, then?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2007 6:38:16 GMT
I believe it was the Met that ran the connecting service for a time - the link between Rayners Lane and South Harrow was originally built by the Met, as the Ealing & South Harrow Railway (the company that actually built the line between Hanger Lane Junction and South Harrow) knew that the DR couldn't afford to link to the Met's Uxbridge branch.
|
|
|
|
Post by mandgc on Apr 7, 2007 9:55:05 GMT
District to Uxbridge.
From some notes I have: The line from Hanger Lane Junction to Park Royal (original) Station on Twyford Road was opened in June,1903 to serve the Royal Agricultural Show and was extended to South Harrow a few days later. It was electrified from a Power Station on the canal bank at Alperton (used for the experimental electrification tests between Earls Court and High St. Ken.) and the line East to Acton Town was also electrified for easier connections. It was supplied from Lots Road when that Power Station came into use. It was used by the District Railway for experimental running with the original 'A' Stock trains and afterwards for the shuttle services from South Acton ( line opened in June 1905) and Acton Town to the Hounslow line and South Harrow. Trains to South Harrow ran at 30 min. intervals until March 1910 when 23 ran each way to Uxbridge.
A few through trains ran from South Harrow, and later Uxbridge, to the City. One,"The Harrovian " ran at 0815 from South Harrow to Mansion House with only six stops to Sloane Square. On the return the 1715 ran non stop from Acton Town to South Harrow.
In July,1932 when the Picc. trains were extended to South Harrow District trains provided a 20 min. shuttle on to Uxbridge until Oct. 1933 when Picc trains were extended all the way to Uxbridge.
|
|
|
|
Post by mandgc on Apr 8, 2007 6:18:52 GMT
Southend Through Trains.
Public Timetable No.4 of 1938 shows through trains from Ealing Broadway to Shoeburyness at 0932, 2246, and 2309 on Mon. to Sats .plus a 2036 on Mon .to Fri. returning at 0655, 2002 and 2048(Mon. to Sat.) plus a 0903 on Mon to Fri. Two trains ran from Ealing on Sundays at 1028 and 2159 with one returning from Thorpe Bay at 1925. Journey time each way was around two hours.
They called each way only at all stations to Turnham Green, Hammersmth, Earls Court, Sloane Sq. and all to Aldgate East, East Ham, Barking and all from Leigh on Sea. Ocasionally odd trains made an aditional call or two at West Ken, Glos.Rd, South Ken, Whitechapel, Dagenham, Hornchurch,Upminster or East Horndon.
Two eight car corridor, sliding door trains were built in 1911 for the service. ( The Luggage vans were at the inner end of the brake carriages for convenience at the shorter DR platforms) An early photo showed a train of LTSR compartment Coaches in use and these may have been used from time to time.
The service was withdrawn on 30 Sept. 1939 but the through fares may have continued.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2007 10:26:00 GMT
Southend Through Trains. Public Timetable No.4 of 1938 shows through trains from Ealing Broadway to Shoeburyness at 0932, 2246, and 2309 on Mon. to Sats .plus a 2036 on Mon .to Fri. returning at 0655, 2002 and 2048(Mon. to Sat.) plus a 0903 on Mon to Fri. Two trains ran from Ealing on Sundays at 1028 and 2159 with one returning from Thorpe Bay at 1925. Journey time each way was around two hours. They called each way only at all stations to Turnham Green, Hammersmth, Earls Court, Sloane Sq. and all to Aldgate East, East Ham, Barking and all from Leigh on Sea. Ocasionally odd trains made an aditional call or two at West Ken, Glos.Rd, South Ken, Whitechapel, Dagenham, Hornchurch,Upminster or East Horndon. Two eight car corridor, sliding door trains were built in 1911 for the service. ( The Luggage vans were at the inner end of the brake carriages for convenience at the shorter DR platforms) An early photo showed a train of LTSR compartment Coaches in use and these may have been used from time to time. The service was withdrawn on 30 Sept. 1939 but the through fares may have continued. It may be that the service was, at the time, officially suspended rather than withdrawn. Possibly similar to the situation whereby, for many years, you could buy a ticket at Edgware (LT or BR) for Mill Hill East or other stations on the Northern Heights, and travel by 240A bus between Edgware and MHE on the rail ticket. |
|
|
|
Post by ruislip on Apr 9, 2007 0:54:34 GMT
Between 1933, when the Piccadilly was extended to Hounslow West, and 1964, when District services on the Hounslow branch were finally withdrawn, were there any off-peak Districts going to Hounslow or Northfields?
|
|
Oracle
In memoriam
RIP 2012
Writing is such sweet sorrow: like heck it is!
Posts: 3,234
|
Post by Oracle on Apr 9, 2007 12:16:22 GMT
I always thought that the District ran an all-day service that was cut back to the Peaks, but perhaps Tubeprune can confirm?
|
|
|
|
Post by mandgc on Apr 10, 2007 6:20:16 GMT
From a 1938 Public and a 1957 Working Timetable it appears that about 16 District trains ( every nine minutes and about every third train ) left Hounslow West in the Morning Peak Eastbound and about twelve arrived Westbound from the District Line.
In the evening peak twelve left Mansion House Westbound from about 1625 - about every third train to Hounslow. at Saturday Midday about 14 arrived from the District. (alternate trains). In 1938 Piccadilly trains did not stop at South Ealing while DR trains were running.
Eight District trains stabled at Northfields Depot at night with a few stabled during the day. Twentyfour Picc. trains were stabled overnight.
|
|
Oracle
In memoriam
RIP 2012
Writing is such sweet sorrow: like heck it is!
Posts: 3,234
|
Post by Oracle on Apr 10, 2007 8:21:24 GMT
I am sure that the car maps on the CO/CP and R Stocks did not say "PEAK HOURS ONLY" or similar for the Hounslow branch. After the cessation of the service as you can imagine sticky labels were added over the line from Acton Town. Hpwever it was I think some time after the cessation that Hounslow West station canopy had "DISTRICT AND" removed.
|
|
