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Post by johnb on Jun 18, 2009 15:27:52 GMT
Yup, the RVAR was originally, stupidly written to not have beeps on autoclose, but has included beeps on all door closings for the last 8 years.
I'm puzzled by which train Tubeprune would've been caught out by, though: at St Pancras there are HSTs and 319s that don't have autoclose, or 222s and 377s that are post-2001 and hence beep on autoclose.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2009 20:59:20 GMT
With doors self-closing at termini at different times as and when passengers board, people are going to be subjected to a never-ending cacophony of alarms during layover as each doorway is opened, then closes, then is opened again, then closes, etc etc (as occurs e.g. on Tramlink where it's akin to sitting amongst a flock of geese - ARK, ARK, ARK.......ARK, ARK, ARk....). Great! LOL! I still think it's a worthwhile price to pay to ensure climate control in the cars ..and keeping them dry in wet weather ! Trains don't sit at termini very long anyway! |
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Post by Chris M on Jun 19, 2009 8:20:08 GMT
I'm puzzled by which train Tubeprune would've been caught out by, though: at St Pancras there are HSTs and 319s that don't have autoclose, or 222s and 377s that are post-2001 and hence beep on autoclose. Do the doors on Eurostars autoclose? |
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Post by miztert on Jun 19, 2009 12:49:15 GMT
I'm puzzled by which train Tubeprune would've been caught out by, though: at St Pancras there are HSTs and 319s that don't have autoclose, or 222s and 377s that are post-2001 and hence beep on autoclose. Do the doors on Eurostars autoclose? No. Plus you can't use Railcards on Eurostar. Nor would there normally be a ticket inspection, as tickets are checked prior to boarding. |
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Post by 21146 on Jun 23, 2009 14:54:27 GMT
An Evening standard response to Boris's "launch" of air-conditioned S Stock today -
"When the tubes are delightfully cool next summer, people are going to thank the current Mayor."
St, you're persisting in missing the point to the point where I wonder precisely what your motive is. Apart from anything else, the tubes won't be 'delightfully cool' next summer, unless you're on the Metropolitan Line, which isn't a tube, or on one of the new Class 378s on London Overground and the extended East London Line which were ordered by, er, Ken's TfL. Boris will, I cheerfully predict, not mention this when the PR comes out.
Also, does anyone see the irony in Boris and fans cheering the introduction of trains with the interior ambience of a bendy bus? I thought they were 'socialist' and only fit for 'Scandinavian airports"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2009 16:15:20 GMT
With doors self-closing at termini at different times as and when passengers board, people are going to be subjected to a never-ending cacophony of alarms during layover as each doorway is opened, then closes, then is opened again, then closes, etc etc (as occurs e.g. on Tramlink where it's akin to sitting amongst a flock of geese - ARK, ARK, ARK.......ARK, ARK, ARk....). Great! After experiencing the door closing alarm on the Berlin S & U Bahns, which is the classic "Everything's going wrong!" alarm from films, I think that's quite sedate in comparison  |
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Post by metman on Jun 23, 2009 17:20:14 GMT
An Evening standard response to Boris's "launch" of air-conditioned S Stock today - "When the tubes are delightfully cool next summer, people are going to thank the current Mayor." St, you're persisting in missing the point to the point where I wonder precisely what your motive is. Apart from anything else, the tubes won't be 'delightfully cool' next summer, unless you're on the Metropolitan Line, which isn't a tube, or on one of the new Class 378s on London Overground and the extended East London Line which were ordered by, er, Ken's TfL. Boris will, I cheerfully predict, not mention this when the PR comes out. Also, does anyone see the irony in Boris and fans cheering the introduction of trains with the interior ambience of a bendy bus? I thought they were 'socialist' and only fit for 'Scandinavian airports" In fact you won't be delightfully cool, because the new trains won't be in service next summer! I will be delightfully happy however, as I will be in an A stock train with the windows open! ;D ;D |
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Post by 21146 on Jun 23, 2009 17:21:20 GMT
With doors self-closing at termini at different times as and when passengers board, people are going to be subjected to a never-ending cacophony of alarms during layover as each doorway is opened, then closes, then is opened again, then closes, etc etc (as occurs e.g. on Tramlink where it's akin to sitting amongst a flock of geese - ARK, ARK, ARK.......ARK, ARK, ARk....). Great! After experiencing the door closing alarm on the Berlin S & U Bahns, which is the classic "Everything's going wrong!" alarm from films, I think that's quite sedate in comparison But they only sound once per station stop, and not at all during layovers. |
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Post by prjb on Jun 23, 2009 21:43:23 GMT
In fact you won't be delightfully cool, because the new trains won't be in service next summer! Yes they will, Train 3 is scheduled to enter service in May 2010 (well in time for summer). |
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Post by prjb on Jun 23, 2009 21:54:33 GMT
Apart from anything else, the tubes won't be 'delightfully cool' next summer, unless you're on the Metropolitan Line, which isn't a tube, I think we have all got to get used to the fact that the general public consider any line on the Underground network or any train with the Underground name on the side to be 'tube'. My work e-mail has "@tube" in the address, so even the company itself has decided to embrace The Tube tag. Ultimately it is not a bad brand and as corporate images go it is quite a strong one. The one thing I don't like however is the way in which our roundel has been prostituted out everywhere - Streets, Trams, Riverboats, Taxi's, even mini-cabs. Most of all though I hate looking at the 378's with the London Overground roundel on them.  or on one of the new Class 378s on London Overground and the extended East London Line which were ordered by, er, Ken's TfL. Boris will, I cheerfully predict, not mention this when the PR comes out. The air conditioned 'S' Stock was also ordered under Ken but that wouldn't stop the current regime from taking credit for it.  Also, does anyone see the irony in Boris and fans cheering the introduction of trains with the interior ambience of a bendy bus? I thought they were 'socialist' and only fit for 'Scandinavian airports" If we are looking at irony, isn't it ironic that an upper class privately educated right wing politician has become the poster boy for public transport in this city? The revolution isn't coming and the wall on which we were going to line them up has been graffited by 'Banksy' and sold for a six figure sum!! ;D |
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 23, 2009 21:54:50 GMT
In fact you won't be delightfully cool, because the new trains won't be in service next summer! Yes they will, Train 3 is scheduled to enter service in May 2010 (well in time for summer). I thought it was supposed to enter service in September 2010. Anyway, I think it is very likely the S stock will be delayed (all new trains seem to enter service late, especially ones built by Bombardier), and as summer starts in June, I don't think there will be an S stock in service at the beginning of next summer. |
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Post by prjb on Jun 23, 2009 21:58:47 GMT
Yes they will, Train 3 is scheduled to enter service in May 2010 (well in time for summer). I thought it was supposed to enter service in September 2010. Anyway, I think it is very likely the S stock will be delayed (all new trains seem to enter service late, especially ones built by Bombardier), and as summer starts in June, I don't think there will be an S stock in service at the beginning of next summer. Under the current program Train 3 is scheduled to enter service in May 2010. Train 3 is currently on the production line and in build. Will the program slip? Probably. Will the project go all out to meet an 'in service' milestone? Definitely! Lets wait and see.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2009 22:32:39 GMT
Talking of 'in service' milestones. I trust that most regulars on this site are aware that, by the time the replacements arrive, no electric train will have enjoyed longer unbroken London Transport passenger service than the A60 stock. The 38TS managed just short of 50 years but with a gap between their demise on the Bakerloo and their reprise on the Northern. The other contenders could be Q23 stock (48 years). 'Standard' tube stock (43 years), F stock (also 43 years) and MET Electric Locos (41 years). One cannot imagine the replacement stock lasting that long!
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Post by prjb on Jun 23, 2009 22:38:20 GMT
Don't be too sure, 'S' has a projected life span of 40 years and LU has a long history of pushing stock past their sell by dates. You only need to look at the clapped out 'A' and 'C' Stock to witness that. I was on an 'A' Stock today and was shocked out how bad the ride is becoming, and I mean the way the train itself handles without taking the track into account. 'C' Stock too is clearly nearing the end of it's useable life (it had a 30 year life span when introduced).
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Post by metman on Jun 23, 2009 22:45:15 GMT
That's rubber suspension for you! It's not too bad on the newer track however, and I was genuinely shocked when I was on the D and 73 stocks recently at how poor their ride was, the A stock felt great compared with them!
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Post by prjb on Jun 23, 2009 22:56:35 GMT
I don't find the 'D' too bad (alright, I am biased since I have just finished refurbishing them!) but you are right about the 73ts - I travel on the Picc nearly every day and the ride on them is atrocious. The 'A' Stock I was on today though handled terribly, the bogie was making some horrific noises too! The 'S' Stock is so much better by comparison and that is even on a pre-series train on the Old Dalby test track (which isn't the best bit of track to say the least!).
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Post by a60 on Jun 24, 2009 18:20:02 GMT
The C Stock never had a usable life anyhow. Always breaking down.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 24, 2009 18:58:26 GMT
An Evening standard response to Boris's "launch" of air-conditioned S Stock today - The London Paper reported this was "at a test track in Leicestershire" yesterday whilst London Lite had him at a test track in Oxford - he gets about, doesn't he! (or have they moved the local government boundaries again?) |
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Post by prjb on Jun 24, 2009 21:28:21 GMT
The C Stock never had a usable life anyhow. Always breaking down. Lovely bogies though, shame about the 'A' Stock ones. |
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Post by prjb on Jun 24, 2009 21:28:54 GMT
An Evening standard response to Boris's "launch" of air-conditioned S Stock today - The London Paper reported this was "at a test track in Leicestershire" yesterday whilst London Lite had him at a test track in Oxford - he gets about, doesn't he! (or have they moved the local government boundaries again?) I saw that, Oxford indeed! |
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Post by metman on Jun 24, 2009 21:50:28 GMT
The A stock bogies have a good pedigree, they look like they were modelled on the old District K2s and how good were they!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 25, 2009 18:48:02 GMT
The one thing I don't like however is the way in which our roundel has been prostituted out everywhere - Streets, Trams, Riverboats, Taxi's, even mini-cabs. Didn't it originate in the London General Bus company, and was only later adopted by the Combine? But I agree that taxis are not public transport - not until my Travelcard is accepted on them! |
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