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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2007 17:57:53 GMT
Now that I've seen the Line Controllers in action, I sympathize with the plight of the DR drivers who had to fight their way through the all-day cockup on the District.
Everything that could have gone wrong, did: trains out of position, drivers out of position, trains sat down on the east AND on the west at EC with no relief, wrong T/Ds in all directions, wrong sticks that take ages to get released, conflicting use of platforms on the west at EC, huge gaps in the eastbound service on the Richmond, Ealing and Wimbledon branches, constant changeovers of destination, 'three on the trot' at Turnham Green west, three consecutive Dagenham East reversers...
...and to top it all off, I finally got the crossover at Gunnersbury, and saw a fellow forum member! ;D ;D ;D
What kicked off this all-day shambles anyway?
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Post by District Dave on Mar 2, 2007 18:12:18 GMT
A variety of things managed to conspire so far as I could work out! 1) A late surrender of an emergency engineering possession at Barons Court (no idea what that was about) 2) A train leaving Ealing Common depot at the start of traffic got the front car 'gapped' (i.e. off traction current) and the batteries that are supposed to provide current to the cab circuits were flat... This meant that no trains could exit the depot from the west end. 3) A little later (and by which time the day was already destroyed) there was a track circuit failure jest east of Barking (I think). Personally, I got stuck early morning between Plaistow and Barking (train was booked to reverse at Barking) - it took something like 25 minutes to do this trip), arrived back at Earls Court on the west ten minutes before I should have been arriving back on the east from Ealing for my mealbreak; train was used for a reform so got off a little early Second half was a farce (remember too that there was supposed to be an engineering possession of Tower Hill bay road, so that was not in use as an engineering timetable was in place). My second train arrived on the west when it should have been on the east (I should have gone Mansion House -> Ealing Broadway -> Mansion House -> Earls Court west to finish). I did Ealing Broadway -> Mansion House -> Ealing Broadway, where I arrived at 13:27 - I was due to finish on the west at ECT at 13:45! Phoned Controller; 'Oh brown stuff' he responded when I pointed this out to him. Put the train up as Earls Court and reverse it there for your relief (albeit this would still mean I was late finisihing). All duly done. Arrived ECTW and - guess what? NO RELIEF!!!!!!!!!!! Eventually a driver turned up, reformed a train that was now more or less back on time to one which made it an hour late (?) - suppose the booked driver wasn't around, and they needed someone to take it! - and finally got back to acton just in time to fill out an overtime docket for fifteen minutes!
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Post by agoodcuppa on Mar 2, 2007 18:28:02 GMT
No, laughing matter surely? ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2007 18:29:33 GMT
sounded like a normal day then on the district
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2007 18:42:11 GMT
A variety of things managed to conspire so far as I could work out! 1) A late surrender of an emergency engineering possession at Barons Court (no idea what that was about) I saw that earlier today as well - there were no signs of any obvious works in the area, so something clearly went wrong there... 2) A train leaving Ealing Common depot at the start of traffic got the front car 'gapped' (i.e. off traction current) and the batteries that are supposed to provide current to the cab circuits were flat... This meant that no trains could exit the depot from the west end. How on earth could THAT happen!?! Surely the driver would have seen a telltale on the TMS when doing his prepwork - I would expect the cab circuit batteries to have a diagnostic of some kind available! Was the driver able to change ends and return to the depot? 3) A little later (and by which time the day was already destroyed) there was a track circuit failure jest east of Barking (I think). Surely you jest! ;D ;D
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Post by TMBA on Mar 2, 2007 19:27:19 GMT
I left Upminster on time, got to Barking and eventually left Barking 10 late following a H&C. eventually got to Richmond 15 late, left Richmond to time ( long Turnround ) then from Hammersmith to Barking it was stick to stick eventually reaching Upminster an hour late and on overtime
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Post by District Dave on Mar 2, 2007 20:08:01 GMT
How on earth could THAT happen!?! Surely the driver would have seen a telltale on the TMS when doing his prepwork - I would expect the cab circuit batteries to have a diagnostic of some kind available! Was the driver able to change ends and return to the depot? 3) A little later (and by which time the day was already destroyed) there was a track circuit failure jest east of Barking (I think). Surely you jest! ;D ;D No - no diagnostic as such for the batteries. There are some clues that may or may not reveal themselves, but not part of our formal prep procedure - essentially you need to know the clues. We don't change ends and return over the route; if the depot staff want it back in, they move it. Bottom line is that by getting the train out onto the main Metronet have fulfilled there part of the contract that they have presented a train and it entered service; if they'd taken it back, they'd be penalised. Ha, ha - a typo - how amusing!! Wasn't it, A Good Cuppa - wish I had the time to proof read all your posts
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Post by Oracle on Mar 2, 2007 20:24:35 GMT
I don't know what happened to my posting but here goes #2!
1. The service is up the swanee and the Controller or whatever he is called today decides to turn a Richmond short at Gunnersbury as happened today. How is this achieved in concert with the NR signalman that controls Gunnersbury (by the way where is the signal cabin now...Wimbledon?)? Does he pick up the dog and bone and contact the NR signaller?
2. What happens if, goodness forbid, a train becomes gapped? When the Met locos became gapped the driver/motorman used to get out a stored cable and then affixed the same to a conductor rail to get on to the juice. I suppose these days in the absence of cables that can be attached, you need a train to rescue and pull back?
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Post by District Dave on Mar 2, 2007 20:31:24 GMT
I don't know what happened to my posting but here goes #2! 1. The service is up the swanee and the Controller or whatever he is called today decides to turn a Richmond short at Gunnersbury as happened today. How is this achieved in concert with the NR signalman that controls Gunnersbury (by the way where is the signal cabin now...Wimbledon?)? Does he pick up the dog and bone and contact the NR signaller? 2. What happens if, goodness forbid, a train becomes gapped? When the Met locos became gapped the driver/motorman used to get out a stored cable and then affixed the same to a conductor rail to get on to the juice. I suppose these days in the absence of cables that can be attached, you need a train to rescue and pull back? In answer to your points: 1) Yes he picks up the phone and tells the signaller (NR) that is what is to occur, and he fits it into what he has occuring. The signaller occupies the cosy little signal box just adjacent to the lines outside Richmond. 2) Gap jumper leads were used in this instance; these are still liberally spread across the combine, but the problem these days who is licensed to use them. The assisting train procedure is an option, but takes longer (that is if there is a suitably licensed person available.
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Post by Oracle on Mar 2, 2007 20:48:55 GMT
Cheers Dave. I remember Richmond 'box as was from when I used to catch the green 4-SUBs from Feltham to Waterloo in the early Sixties, and then into the rail blue era. Last pic I saw was that the brick building was covered in graffiti. Semaphores of course held sway on the Richmond branch though I am not sure if there was a wrong road starter at Gunnersbury? It might have been handsignalled with authority from Gunnersbury 'box. Back in '81 I think it was when BR resignalled the branch with colour lights they added a new starter at Gunnersbury.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2007 21:03:46 GMT
How on earth could THAT happen!?! Surely the driver would have seen a telltale on the TMS when doing his prepwork - I would expect the cab circuit batteries to have a diagnostic of some kind available! Was the driver able to change ends and return to the depot? No - no diagnostic as such for the batteries. There are some clues that may or may not reveal themselves, but not part of our formal prep procedure - essentially you need to know the clues. We don't change ends and return over the route; if the depot staff want it back in, they move it. Bottom line is that by getting the train out onto the main Metronet have fulfilled there part of the contract that they have presented a train and it entered service; if they'd taken it back, they'd be penalised. *insert standard grumblings about PPP* So how was the situation rectified? Did a following train simply do a pushout, or were the gap jumpers hauled out (to the tune of much cursing from the staff)? Ha, ha - a typo - how amusing!! Wasn't it, A Good Cuppa - wish I had the time to proof read all your posts Sorry for the wind-up - just trying to inject a bit of levity into a rather nasty day... I don't know what happened to my posting but here goes #2! 1. The service is up the swanee and the Controller or whatever he is called today decides to turn a Richmond short at Gunnersbury as happened today. How is this achieved in concert with the NR signalman that controls Gunnersbury (by the way where is the signal cabin now...Wimbledon?)? Does he pick up the dog and bone and contact the NR signaller? In answer to your points: 1) Yes he picks up the phone and tells the signaller (NR) that is what is to occur, and he fits it into what he has occuring. The signaller occupies the cosy little signal box just adjacent to the lines outside Richmond. I believe it was the unfortunate Mr. Middleton who started the rumour that the Richmond branch was controlled from Wimbledon ;D ;D ;D It seems that the reverser I was on managed to catch the signalman out - we had to pause at GB1 to let a Silverlink clear the westbound; when we rolled into the station, the starter was still red! 2. What happens if, goodness forbid, a train becomes gapped? When the Met locos became gapped the driver/motorman used to get out a stored cable and then affixed the same to a conductor rail to get on to the juice. I suppose these days in the absence of cables that can be attached, you need a train to rescue and pull back? 2) Gap jumper leads were used in this instance; these are still liberally spread across the combine, but the problem these days who is licensed to use them. The assisting train procedure is an option, but takes longer (that is if there is a suitably licensed person available. Interesting - I thought that most stations with junctions had staff who would be trained (and licensed) to make use of them; otherwise, why have them?
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Post by c5 on Mar 2, 2007 21:07:27 GMT
Nowadays. I believe that only Tubelines' ERU are licensed to use Gap Jumper Leads. There are some LUL staff still in license, but few.
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Post by solidbond on Mar 2, 2007 21:31:34 GMT
About trains becoming gapped - there was a major shut down a couple of weeks ago at Wimbledon Park for just that reason. A D stock left Wimbledon Park W/B and the starter returned to danger, and the train got tripped. T/Op went to use the signal phone on the starter to find it didn't work, so had to go to the other end of the platform. Got authority to continue, got into the cab to find he had no air - the front car was over the points, the rear car over the TPWS gap - hence no compressors working . Result was that a push-out would be needed (NR don't like to use Rail Gap Jumper leads if they can help it!!) There was just one other little problem - although there was a C stock behind - there was an SWT ECS between the C & D stocks ;D. As a result, the C stock had to wrong-road back to East Putney, then the SWT had to wrong-road back to East Putney, so the C stock could then work forward to Wimbledon Park to push the D stock just two car lengths to get it back on current. Total shut down was two hours. Oh, and just to make things even better, the driver on the C stock was just back from lengthy absence and was doing road training with an Upminster I/O ;D ;D
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Post by tubeprune on Mar 2, 2007 21:33:30 GMT
License to use gap leads? We used to get training to use them on stock training. I only ever had to use them helping Sarah's crew at Uxbridge sidings when they got gapped on an special one Sunday afternoon. They are very heavy and awkward.
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Post by District Dave on Mar 2, 2007 21:57:30 GMT
In reply to TOK....
Yes, the depot staff used the leads to get the train back on current, then it was off into Ealing Common - presumably with the T.Op being VERY careful where he stopped!!
And Tubeprune, it's exactly as I describe - remember we aren't even permitted to remove shed leads these days!
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