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Post by happybunny on May 26, 2009 15:42:47 GMT
We all have heard about the latest going on due to lack of CSDE on the Vic.. I wondered if National Rail services have any form of CSDE?? If they do is it only operational on DOO services? Or guarded trains as well?
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Post by upfast on May 26, 2009 16:28:26 GMT
We all have heard about the latest going on due to lack of CSDE on the Vic.. I wondered if National Rail services have any form of CSDE?? If they do is it only operational on DOO services? Or guarded trains as well? Thanks Speaking to Drivers that I know there is no CSDE. Some stocks do have a GPS system so the train knows how many doors to release/open at stations with short platforms though. |
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Post by metman on May 26, 2009 16:40:39 GMT
Does the Bakerloo CSDE have any bearing on the 313s and maybe the 378s on the DC line?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2009 16:44:42 GMT
The issue is also less relevant as NR stocks have passenger door open. Even if the driver inadvertently selects the door open facility on the wrong side it would also require a passenger to operate a door open button button inside the carriage before the door would actually open, for a serious safety issue to occur someone would have to fall out, which is less likely if the passenger door control has to be activated. On LU someone may simply be leaning on the door when it opens unexpectedly.
I gather, none the less, that "black box" downloads scan for incorrect door releases and drivers are expected to report them even if the doors closed visual shows no door was opened, driver will be relived and put through due process.
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Post by happybunny on May 26, 2009 16:46:10 GMT
Interesting, and does the Chiltern trains that run on LUL tracks have to be equipped with CSDE similar to how it has to be fitted with tripcock systems!
Interesting how Bob is insisting that a railway suddenly is unsafe because it has no CSDE, even though on that whole particular railway the worst case scenario is doors open onto a brick wall.. but other TOC's (to which I am sure many of his members are employed by) have no CSDE where there doors can be opened directly onto an express line, or live rails ! I know which sounds more unsafe...
I am not saying he is wrong to demand the installation of CSDE since the sacking of Carl Campbell, but why not demand the introduction of such a system across all OPO railways, if its unsafe on one railway surely it must be on another !
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Post by metman on May 26, 2009 17:54:09 GMT
It is interesting to note that 67ts trains can be driven from either side of the cab. The door open buttons (twin button?) I think are mounted on the side window base are they not? I would imagine that they open the side the t/op is located on?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2009 18:00:52 GMT
Interesting how Bob is insisting that a railway suddenly is unsafe because it has no CSDE, even though on that whole particular railway the worst case scenario is doors open onto a brick wall.. but other TOC's (to which I am sure many of his members are employed by) have no CSDE where there doors can be opened directly onto an express line, or live rails ! I know which sounds more unsafe... I appreciate your post crossed with mine, however in addition to wrong side door opening in a platform, on a 1967 it is also possible to open the doors in a tunnel whilst the train is moving (it has happened) even in a platform there is enough space for a passenger to fall against the tiled wall and then down the side of the train to track level. As I say on NR the driver merely releases the passenger door open mechanism, so a passenger must also then open the door set wrong side and someone then not expecting the door to open, fall out, which is far less likely than the Victoria Line scenario. |
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Post by Colin on May 27, 2009 0:03:25 GMT
Interesting how Bob is insisting that a railway suddenly is unsafe because it has no CSDE, even though on that whole particular railway the worst case scenario is doors open onto a brick wall.. but other TOC's (to which I am sure many of his members are employed by) have no CSDE where there doors can be opened directly onto an express line, or live rails ! I know which sounds more unsafe... Yes it is funny how things suit the Unions! Bit like a few weeks back when I brought an end to the District running extra unplanned shuttles between Barking and Whitechapel, when the line was officially suspended Upminster to Embankment (H&C was running to Barking) for planned engineering work. The reason it came to end was that trains were not being trip cock tested on every trip (the only tester on that section is at East Ham on the Westbound). When the Union rep at Barking found out it was me, he demanded to know exactly when the service was pulled, was it pulled as soon as I raised the issue, etc etc. I mentioned that I wasn't that sure if I was right to raise it and had liaised a DMT first - to which he replied it was in the rule books and that he'd helped write them. He soon stopped bleating when I pointed out that it's not in the rule book [that trains must be tested every trip], but it is a separate standard - and that given the same shuttle had been run on at least 5 previous occasions, it should have been stopped by himself long before I got involved. CSDE has been on LU for how long? and it's only now they've started to create a fuss regarding the Vic being the only line without it? If you were at Seven Sisters you'd have to wonder why the heck it's never been raised before now!  |
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Post by happybunny on May 27, 2009 4:31:11 GMT
I understand your point aspect, I never quite thought of it like that.. Has the Vic ever operated doors in passenger mode? Like the D Stock used to be ??
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Post by Phil on May 27, 2009 7:00:42 GMT
I understand your point aspect, I never quite thought of it like that.. Has the Vic ever operated doors in passenger mode? Like the D Stock used to be ?? Never needed to be fitted on the Vic: no outside sections for train to get cold while waiting with doors open (the only reason LU ever had passenger open). |
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