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Post by dannyofelmpark on May 25, 2009 9:34:38 GMT
I would like to recommend you all see this video im sure you could do a whole novel about this video, but just a couple of pointers (from someone who suffers from autism) 1 - the use of slam-door stock with the doors "locked"  ?? 2 - would a station assistant be sacked for behaving like that? |
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Post by mrfs42 on May 25, 2009 10:27:54 GMT
I would like to recommend you all see this video im sure you could do a whole novel about this video, but just a couple of pointers (from someone who suffers from autism) 1 - the use of slam-door stock with the doors "locked" ?? 2 - would a station assistant be sacked for behaving like that? A very interesting and though-provoking video. I think that the SA wouldn't be sacked, as he was trying to stop the frustrated person from injuring himself (as the member of staff considered the situation), and got another member of staff to help him. If the bearded SA had attempted to restrain the frustratee in isolation that would put a different slant on the matter. I think the slam door stock doors being locked is a plot device to simulate the plug doors being shut. Of note, and this video claims to be from the National Autistic Society, why is the word 'As bergers' so spelt? Hans Asperger himself used a 'p' when he defined the eponymous syndrome in 1944. |
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Post by Tomcakes on May 25, 2009 11:14:29 GMT
I wonder, is training on autism &c included in the "disability" training which, I believe, station staff do?
Remember that all slam door stock now has to have central door locking.
I'm not sure how the SA should have acted, though. Someone is behaving in a possibly violent manner and lashing out at staff and not listening to instructions - surely if they were left to continue there would be a danger of hurting someone (including themself) or damaging property?
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Post by Colin on May 25, 2009 17:45:48 GMT
There is no specific training for any one single group of people with a particular "disability" (for want of a better word) on LU - nor with any other public transport operator really.
I'd like to think that most members of LU's staff, and in particular the CSA grade, would have the common sense to deal with a similar situation the correct way; ie, to try and gently calm the person down, encourage them to move to a quieter area and to engage with them and show they are interested in their perceived problem.
The one thing I noted in that video is something that always bothers me when dealing with anyone with a particular "disability" (again for want of a better word) - and that's whether it be a physical issue, age or anything else.............it's the assumption by the 'vulnerable' person (ooh, I might have found a better word!) that they'll be treated in a particular way. Yes there are ignorant human beings out there, but the vast majority are quite decent and are quite willing to help in a non debilitating way if you'll let them!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2009 19:27:15 GMT
If behaviour is unacceptable or dangerous, then it's unacceptable or dangerous, whoever is doing it or why! (It's like saying "that person's a Psycopath so it's ok for them to murder someone, the rest of you must accomodate it"). I found the video rather singular in it's perspective and commentary ! <awaits howels of discontent!> |
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Post by Tomcakes on May 25, 2009 19:41:45 GMT
If behaviour is unacceptable or dangerous, then it's unacceptable or dangerous, whoever is doing it or why! Which indeed was what I was saying - I'm not sure that the station attendant ought to have acted differently if someone starts trying to force open a train door that's locked and bangs on the doors. |
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Post by Oracle on May 25, 2009 20:18:52 GMT
My son is 12, and is on the Autistic Spectrum. We have now just been told that he has Asperger's Syndrome. We have been told that parents can now apply for a special card in Hampshire that has been worded in agreement with Hampshire Constabulary. It basically says to the police or other officials that the holder is Autistic and may behave differently from 'normal'. The idea is that they can avoid being arrested for their behaviour. My son was on a Tramlink tram a few years ago and decided to press the disabled passenger's alarm whilst we were at the terminus. The driver had to shut down, come out of his cab and re-set. He spat at me that I should keep more control of my kids. I wish I could have shoved such a card under his nose and say that my son has a disability but he is too intelligent (high-functioning) for us to control.
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Post by max on May 28, 2009 17:03:56 GMT
my son has a disability but he is too intelligent (high-functioning) for us to control. Do you even try? |
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Post by Tomcakes on May 28, 2009 17:09:27 GMT
Was this explained to the driver? A child pulling an alarm is at best an inconvenience, at most a misuse of the system (£50 fine or whatever).
Whilst it is a difficult one, I don't think that we ought to be excluding people from following rules which are there for our safety because of some disability.
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Post by Oracle on May 28, 2009 17:53:15 GMT
Do you even try? We have spent years in seeing psychiatrists, pyschologists, nurse therapists, nurses, you name it, plus medication 24/7. He goes to a special ASD [Autistic Spectrum Disorder] base in a school 9 miles away. Basically it has not made the slightest jot of difference. So yes is the answer. And I would not wish an Autistic child on my worst enemy. It is a 24/7 commitment, and it can affect both parents' health. I would not want anyone else to have the spectre of no sleep for night on night because their child has a sleeping disorder. I should add that like a lot of ASD children he has a very high IQ, but this is coupled with being 5' 10" tall at 12 and weighing 13 stone with muscles to match. He can speak words in 26 languages, and writes in Albanian, Burmese, Russian Cyrillic...you name it. He also has the mind of a Sherlock Holmes. I cannot fathom how his intelligence is going to pan out..he wears me out with his questions and I am at PhD level! |
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Post by max on May 29, 2009 6:24:34 GMT
My commiserations, especially when the testosterone starts flowing.
Just watch out for those psychologists, some of them are complete idiots. I should know, I'm one myself!
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Post by Oracle on May 29, 2009 7:44:58 GMT
The Testosterone has been flowing for a while now. Regrettably, this seems to be a family tradition. I do however respect Psychologists, and Educational Psychologists...but sometimes with some ASD children and adults, nothing works.
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Post by dannyofelmpark on May 30, 2009 9:30:23 GMT
with regaurds to the video, is there any slam door trains left in Britain now?
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Post by slugabed on May 30, 2009 11:16:16 GMT
Yes! www.hastingsdiesels.co.uk/Also on the Lymington Branch,and,apparently,DMUs between Princes Rsborough and Aylesbury,and in Cardiff. Also on preserved lines.... |
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Post by Tomcakes on May 30, 2009 12:09:49 GMT
You're forgetting perhaps the most obvious - HSTs!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 20:01:25 GMT
I was discussing this with a friend from Chicago, whom suffers from autism and a very severe form of disability that affects his ability to stand/walk... Unfortunately, he was also, how can I say, 'ejected' from a station rather forcefully, and using his own words, 'never been so humiliated in his life'. The police also intervened... He describes a rather agressive attitude that some staff take with passengers whom are in the position of my friend. Absolutely shocking. I mean, he was in his wheelchair, does that give the transit official the right to shove him onto the train because he was taking too long to board? No...
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