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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2007 16:56:37 GMT
I would never use that repeater at Aldgate East for one big reason. If the bulb blew in the junction box, you would go trundling round to Liverpool St.  That would be Entertainment for the rest of us listening to the radio traffic though ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2007 20:53:27 GMT
An ok view of the Aldgate East starter w/b ? !!
You must stop way shorter than me then ... can you also see the mirror / monitors ?
I deffo can't see the starter from my stopping point unless I press my nose against the cab glass ...which I'm not doing !
I'm content to rely upon the repeater ...If i get a run up to Liverpool Street courtesy of a blown junction indicator bulb, then it will be some excellent unusual mileage cranked at no fault to my service record ;D
Are you sure it's a station staff repeater ....i think there's one of them further back down the platform in the conventional position for such a station staff repeater. I think it is a repeater for the driver ?
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Post by Tom on Jan 10, 2007 22:55:06 GMT
Surely a repeater in the monitor box would have been better than a co-actor. This is where the driver's attention is when berthed in a platform. This is similar to the plan for SPAD mitigation at Edgware Road. And not a little LED thing either. |
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Post by Tom on Jan 10, 2007 22:55:44 GMT
An ok view of the Aldgate East starter w/b ? !! You must stop way shorter than me then ... can you also see the mirror / monitors ? I deffo can't see the starter from my stopping point unless I press my nose against the cab glass ...which I'm not doing ! I'm content to rely upon the repeater ...If i get a run up to Liverpool Street courtesy of a blown junction indicator bulb, then it will be some excellent unusual mileage cranked at no fault to my service record ;D Are you sure it's a station staff repeater ....i think there's one of them further back down the platform in the conventional position for such a station staff repeater. I think it is a repeater for the driver ? I signal sighted OB45 last Autumn - there is a plan to put a Co-actor in near the OPO. There is only one platform repeater there - orignally there were two and it is possible to see where the other one was, before it was removed in the late 1980s. As for excellent unusual mileage without fault - good luck. Yes, the signal sighting is poor, but the signal is visible. It is the responsibility of the T/Op to look at the signal, as platform repeaters are (were) provided for the use of guards and are now technically redundant according to LU Standards. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2007 13:09:55 GMT
It is the responsibility of the T/Op to look at the signal, as platform repeaters are (were) provided for the use of guards and are now technically redundant according to LU Standards. Hey Tom ;D I know our union rep will say if the signal exists it should work properly and is entitled to be relied upon. Besides there are numerous locations where a repeater is placed upon the headwall, how am I supposed to determine which repeaters are for the benefit of the driver and which for platform staff. If the signal is there I am entitled to rely upon it ! (especially where I can't see the starter) |
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Post by Tom on Jan 11, 2007 21:56:57 GMT
Whilst I know what the standards say I do try and take a more common sense approach, and I know from dealing with both ASLEF and RMT H&S reps I know drivers look at platform repeaters.
Officially the signal should be visible to the train operator from the stop mark and he/she should have 16m continuous sighting if it's an all trains to stop station. Aldgate East is somewhat dubious and I suspect you could get away with it but it can't be relied upon. Fair play to you if you get away with it though... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2007 20:49:11 GMT
Whilst I know what the standards say I do try and take a more common sense approach, and I know from dealing with both ASLEF and RMT H&S reps I know drivers look at platform repeaters. Officially the signal should be visible to the train operator from the stop mark and he/she should have 16m continuous sighting if it's an all trains to stop station. Aldgate East is somewhat dubious and I suspect you could get away with it but it can't be relied upon. Fair play to you if you get away with it though... ;D LOL ! Cheers Tom ! I don't think I shall intentionally put it to the test however ! (as it happens whilst the signal aspect is difficult to see from the stopping mark, the harbour lights are higher and consequently a bit more visible) ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2007 15:26:08 GMT
should get rid of all the platform repeaters make my job a right pain in the a*** relamping the usual suspect ones
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2007 20:43:05 GMT
should get rid of all the platform repeaters make my job a right pain in the a*** relamping the usual suspect ones It's very obvious that it's the same ol repeaters (platform and fog) time and time again ...yet oddly it may only be the same one aspect on a particular signal that keeps blowing ! Since these signals only register in your mind when unlit, it also gives the impression that you good guys are not in fact replacing the bulbs ! Twist their arms to spend a bit on more LED's !!! lol! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2007 20:50:38 GMT
you wanna try and squeezing nearly £200 for each LED replacement good luck to ya
plus i have a feeling the union reps might have something to say on how bright they actually are
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Post by Tom on Jan 14, 2007 21:17:15 GMT
There is a trial of LEDs in Platform repeaters on SSL at the moment - ISTR brightness was an issue that had to be addressed.
Oh, and regarding OB45: If a district gets held there, it could be because the route to Liverpool St has been called. Route 1 to Tower Hill doesn't require a train to be proved stationary at the signal, when route 2 does.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2007 23:46:07 GMT
Slightly O/T. On repeaters where the driver will never see a green, such as repeating the last signal approaching a terminus, is there actually a green bulb in place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2007 18:29:00 GMT
i know tom i installed the district ones this is why i was saying i dont think the union reps are gonna go for these as they are very bright
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2007 20:52:44 GMT
i know tom i installed the district ones this is why i was saying i dont think the union reps are gonna go for these as they are very bright They stand out, though I see no problem with bright aspects in the brighter platform environment, in a tunnel the only issue is a brighter aspect looks closer than it is. They look like they'd make good fog repeater lamps ...they need to be bright ! NR signals are brighter than ours anyway. |
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Post by Tom on Jan 15, 2007 21:38:27 GMT
Slightly O/T. On repeaters where the driver will never see a green, such as repeating the last signal approaching a terminus, is there actually a green bulb in place. Not normally. There often isn't even a relay to control the aspects, jsut a dummy frame and a relay lid with some loops on. i know tom i installed the district ones this is why i was saying i dont think the union reps are gonna go for these as they are very bright I didn't think they'd reached SSL South Yet...! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2007 16:34:46 GMT
embankment e/b plat repeater
victoria w/b plat repeater
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2007 19:02:55 GMT
BUMP.
Did aetearlscourt ever find out just what the LED repeaters do when the trainstops are messed with? And did COLIN ever get a satisfactorily hypothetical answer to his hypothetical question?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2007 19:42:16 GMT
nope im affraid i will not find out the answer for a while unless i con someone else to do it as im currently track restricted due to medication and last time the area was maintained it was done on a sunday night on overtime so dont even knew who done it last but i havent forgotten and will get the answer |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2007 21:53:05 GMT
nope im affraid i will not find out the answer for a while unless i con someone else to do it as im currently track restricted due to medication and last time the area was maintained it was done on a sunday night on overtime so dont even knew who done it last but i havent forgotten and will get the answer That's perfectly all right. Having gone through that station again, you can quite clearly see that the signal's position is not optimal from a driver's perspective; it seems to be quite good from a station staff perspective, though. |
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Post by Colin on Mar 3, 2007 21:04:06 GMT
And did COLIN ever get a satisfactorily hypothetical answer to his hypothetical question? Yes, I did - See reply #20 in THIS VERY THREAD!! ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2007 22:00:21 GMT
And did COLIN ever get a satisfactorily hypothetical answer to his hypothetical question? Yes, I did - See reply #20 in THIS VERY THREAD!! ;D ;D ;D After having read it again, I do see that a satisfactorily hypothetical answer was indeed given. Humble pie consumed! |
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