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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2009 17:04:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2009 17:29:05 GMT
Link for Lazier SortsNot having been there, and not having been at work since, I can't comment. Given that there is supposedly an RAIB investigation to follow, I think you'll find that even those who were there may not be able to elaborate fully, but when the report is available everything that can be found out will be made public.
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Post by ek583 on Mar 30, 2009 17:36:31 GMT
Just found out about it a few minutes ago, on the bbc news website. It appears that the incident happened near Ealing Common junction. Apparently the District line train had a SPAD but was subsequently given permission to go ahead, when the District driver saw the Picc train ahead of him at the junction on the westbound track, coming from Ealing Common. That's all I could gather from the news. But no one's injured or anything, thankfully. Also, having checked the RAIB website's current investigations section, couldn't find anything regarding this incident!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2009 17:40:59 GMT
It takes them a few days to get them up, I think? LU have to phone it through in the first place, they have to establish if they need to investigate. For example, I only got a initial alert from them today about an incident on the 22nd - they've therefore got a few more days before this one is likely to appear (especially given that there were no injuries/fatalities and that we had a weekend in the middle!).
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Post by ek583 on Mar 30, 2009 17:50:54 GMT
It takes them a few days to get them up, I think? LU have to phone it through in the first place, they have to establish if they need to investigate. For example, I only got a initial alert from them today about an incident on the 22nd - they've therefore got a few more days before this one is likely to appear (especially given that there were no injuries/fatalities and that we had a weekend in the middle!). You're probably right. I only checked the RAIB website because the BBC is saying that the RAIB has been notified, quoting an LU spokesman apparently! On another note, I was a bit surprised that we haven't heard anything about this on the forum in the last couple of days. Given that, almost nothing (LU related) goes without being mentioned in this forum! ;D (unless of course it's something that goes against the forum rules)
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Post by Colin on Mar 30, 2009 18:04:17 GMT
No one has broken any forum rules, and that wouldn't have been the case had it been raised on Friday when the alleged incident occurred. That being said, the forum staff would obviously urge caution in so far as second guessing what actually happened or offering any theories - we know the media do use this forum as a source of information.
As for why it wasn't raised here sooner, whilst not wishing to say too much, AFAIK only the initial SPAD was reported internally - that is hardly a newsworthy event.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2009 18:46:31 GMT
Did take a bit of time to reach the media I must admit, but then again, if LU can cover something up or save a few Big Backsides (self preservation) from a slapping then they will.
Reminds me of the 12inch gap that appeared in the running rails not too many moons ago between WHC-EAA that was never reported.
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Post by 21146 on Mar 30, 2009 19:10:04 GMT
Did take a bit of time to reach the media I must admit, but then again, if LU can cover something up or save a few Big Backsides (self preservation) from a slapping then they will. Reminds me of the 12inch gap that appeared in the running rails not too many moons ago between WHC-EAA that was never reported. I imagine the moderators will want this matter semi-embargoed until the official report(s) appear, but they should make for interesting reading in time, esp to me as I know two of the main persons involved.
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Post by astock5000 on Mar 30, 2009 19:21:01 GMT
The BBC news website says: I didn't think that District line trains are that crowded leaving Ealing Broadway in the evening, when most people are going out of London. They have also have put a photo of a 67TS on the Victoria line on their page.
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Post by Colin on Mar 30, 2009 19:37:21 GMT
The photo says it all really - poor research and exaggerated headlines are at the forefront of journalism unfortunately.
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Post by Ben on Mar 30, 2009 20:01:57 GMT
Any tube related story from the BBC seems to show a vic line train. I wonder whether they still will after the 67s go? ITV comented that a signalman had been relieved. I wonder how this will all pan out?
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Post by ek583 on Mar 30, 2009 20:45:42 GMT
Completely agree with astock5000, Colin and Ben. At that time of the evening, there's no way that a District line train departing Ealing Broadway would be "crowded". And I don't really have an idea about the loads on the Picc, but I wonder how busy that Picc train could've been on that section of the line. And about the 67ts picture on the BBC website, I don't think the BBC has any other picture that's related to LU, because I seem to recall seeing that same picture on pretty much all of the most recent LU related news articles on the BBC. But having said that, has anyone read this news on TheLondonPaper? It's actually laughable. Just read how they describe the SPAD, I mean reporters are meant to report facts aren't they? Not report what they think happened!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2009 21:01:01 GMT
The Picc might have been full because of the time of day. Empty Heathrow slots get plugged by Rayners/Uxbridge trains thus giving big gaps. I'm only guessing mind you, might of been a string of Piccs following each other.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 30, 2009 21:55:20 GMT
I've seen a fair bit of uninformed comment on this, with one person saying "it is completely unacceptable in this day and age that it is physically possible for trains to pass a signal at danger!" (note this is paraphrased). Quite how they proposed to make it impossible was not specified.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2009 1:59:07 GMT
Over the years the railways of this land have been subject to some pretty vicious reporting from certain sections of the media. Once an incident occurs it seems that certain reporters do anything to stop the facts ruining a good story. Put simply, a minimum standard of reporting IS too much to ask from the media that we endure today!
As for this particular incident, I think we should all wait for the enquiry. One hopes that both Drivers involved are being offered all of the support that they need after what appears to have been a very close call.
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Post by pakenhamtrain on Mar 31, 2009 5:39:42 GMT
Come on we should know the journos code by now: Never let facts get in the way of a good news story.
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Post by upfast on Mar 31, 2009 8:48:14 GMT
They should use what allegedly took place as an anti SPAD poster. Also, the story is still very one sided at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2009 10:42:54 GMT
They should use what allegedly took place as an anti SPAD poster. Also, the story is still very one sided at the moment. Are you suggesting that LUL make a rapid press release to counter the poorly researched story that ES produces for sales figures. Would it not be better to sit quietly on your hands and consider the reported "facts". 1. District train SPADS Hanger Lane Jn Home Signal 2. W/B Piccadilly train passes over junction at normal speed 3. Signal operator taken out Three facts that will lead to a conclusion of an investigation either internal or RAIB that will be reported. The parties involved in these investigations do have some ability in sifting the evidence. So I am eager to discover the truth so that lessons will be learned and hopefully we do not have another recurrence.
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Post by upfast on Mar 31, 2009 11:12:40 GMT
They should use what allegedly took place as an anti SPAD poster. Also, the story is still very one sided at the moment. Are you suggesting that LUL make a rapid press release to counter the poorly researched story that ES produces for sales figures. Would it not be better to sit quietly on your hands and consider the reported "facts". 1. District train SPADS Hanger Lane Jn Home Signal 2. W/B Piccadilly train passes over junction at normal speed 3. Signal operator taken out Three facts that will lead to a conclusion of an investigation either internal or RAIB that will be reported. The parties involved in these investigations do have some ability in sifting the evidence. So I am eager to discover the truth so that lessons will be learned and hopefully we do not have another recurrence. Well LUL have already given a standard response and the story only gives the hearsay view which may or may not be correct. Some people on the forum do know what did take place but can't say on here, obviously.
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Post by stanmorek on Mar 31, 2009 17:17:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2009 18:14:00 GMT
Very appropiate and accurate quote there. Perhaps the admins should consider a lock on this thread until the full story emerges.
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Post by mrfs42 on Mar 31, 2009 18:16:57 GMT
The Forum Staff are watching this closely, Jim, fear not.
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Post by roythebus on Mar 31, 2009 20:42:14 GMT
Pity the ES don't quote the article from Railway Magazine which says words to the effect that Brtain's railways have had an unparallelled period of 3 years in which only 1 passenger has been killed in a train accident.
Meanwhile, wait for the RAIB report. they usually put a precis out fairly quickly.
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Post by swedishblue on Mar 31, 2009 23:03:14 GMT
I think that's a bit unfair as no one is really speculating what happened. It is more everyone is having a pop at the Standard and BBC (and quite rightly so).
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Post by Admin Team on Apr 1, 2009 18:14:03 GMT
You may have noticed this thread had been removed for much of today - the reason for removal was due to the nature of the discussion over the last six or so posts. These posts have now been removed and, as you can see, the thread has been re-instated.
Please be aware that the forum staff have received a request asking that we refrain from second guessing the nature of events last Friday evening, that LU staff are not identified in any way and that any subsequent investigation that may or may not take place is not prejudiced by anything said here.
This is not brushing anything under the proverbial carpet, or covering anything up - it's a sensible request which we ask you all to respect.
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Post by Oracle on Apr 1, 2009 22:22:55 GMT
Members may be aware that this subject has also come up for discussion on two other Forums (you know which ones). With no disrespect to any other Forums, I have to say that it has been handled very deftly and sensitively here. Best wishes to the Mods and Admins!
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Post by jazza on Apr 15, 2009 15:59:45 GMT
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 23, 2010 7:14:33 GMT
The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) today released its report into an incident involving a near-miss between two London Underground trains at Hanger Lane junction on 27 March 2009. A synopsis is available here. A full copy of the report is available here.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 23, 2010 9:09:43 GMT
Seems that: "District Line train 103 was formed of D78 tube stock".
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Post by angelislington on Mar 26, 2010 20:26:27 GMT
LOL - from the summary
Someone can't count! ;D
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