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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2009 14:08:08 GMT
One of London's busiest Tube stations was partly closed during rush hour because the trains were too noisy. Transport chiefs shut Bank's Central line platforms for 90 minutes last night after complaints that decibel levels from screeching rails were too high. The closure left thousands of commuters facing severe delays just after 5.30pm. They described the decision as "madness". Transport for London admitted the problem, caused by a lack of lubrication on the tracks, could have been prevented but could not say how loud the screeching was. A noticeboard at the station told passengers Central line trains would not be stopping because of "technical difficulties". Transport sources told the Evening Standard that London Underground staff had refused to work on the platforms because of the noise but TFL claimed the closure was prompted by passenger complaints. John Cooper, a City lawyer, who was on his way to a meeting, said: "We were all thrown out of the station. A member of staff told me it was because the decibel levels were too high. It was complete madness. Thousands of people were stuck and it was utter confusion. "Some people were just laughing when the staff told them what was going on. It is health and safety gone mad." Steve Cooper, 47, who works at John Lewis in Oxford Street, was trying to get home to Basildon. He said: "Someone came over the Tannoy and said the Central line was being closed due to squeaky tracks. "How bad can it possibly be to disrupt thousands of people on their way home during rush hour? The noise is noticeable at Bank, but you couldn't call it unbearable. It's more of an irritant, really. "Why didn't they just leave it another hour or so and avoid all that chaos? After a hard day at work all you want to do is get home." Receptionist Kate Ward, 22, was on her way from Oxford Street to Bank when the driver announced the train would not be stopping. She said: "It seems very odd for platforms to be closed because of noise. I had to walk here from St Paul's to meet my brother for dinner. He got held up by the problems as well." Campaigners said it was the first time they had heard of noise levels closing down services. Jo deBank, from London TravelWatch, said: "I've never heard of anything like this happening before. The noise must have been bad. However, it is certainly problematic to have such a busy station close during rush hour for something that sounds like it could have been easily avoided. "It was incredibly disruptive for passengers during an extremely busy time in the evening." TfL said platforms had been closed before because of noisy trains. A spokesman said: "We closed the platforms because passengers were reporting that they could hear a loud screeching sound. "It does happen from time to time. You have metal rails running on metal tracks and they need lubrication. It would have been better to solve the problem before rush hour but our emergency team were on the scene quickly and were able to get the line running again." www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23660804-details/Tube+closed+for+being+too+noisy/article.do
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Post by Colin on Mar 11, 2009 16:46:52 GMT
Trust the subStandard to accurately report the situation: Anyway - yes, the screeching can reach ear splitting levels. It's a sure bet that if they'd left the platforms open, the headline would have been about customers complaining about the noise levels. There's some situations where you just cannot win no matter what you do.
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Post by Oracle on Mar 11, 2009 17:05:44 GMT
I seem to recall that Epsom, Down Victoria platform was on a sharp curve and when the 12-car Mk1 stock used to rujn through non-stop en route Bognor Regis, there was a horrible continuous squealing!
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Post by carlovel1 on Mar 11, 2009 17:27:34 GMT
One of London's busiest Tube stations was partly closed during rush hour because the trains were too noisy. Transport chiefs shut Bank's Central line platforms for 90 minutes last night after complaints that decibel levels from screeching rails were too high. The closure left thousands of commuters facing severe delays just after 5.30pm. They described the decision as "madness". Transport for London admitted the problem, caused by a lack of lubrication on the tracks, could have been prevented but could not say how loud the screeching was. A noticeboard at the station told passengers Central line trains would not be stopping because of "technical difficulties". Transport sources told the Evening Standard that London Underground staff had refused to work on the platforms because of the noise but TFL claimed the closure was prompted by passenger complaints. John Cooper, a City lawyer, who was on his way to a meeting, said: "We were all thrown out of the station. A member of staff told me it was because the decibel levels were too high. It was complete madness. Thousands of people were stuck and it was utter confusion. "Some people were just laughing when the staff told them what was going on. It is health and safety gone mad." Steve Cooper, 47, who works at John Lewis in Oxford Street, was trying to get home to Basildon. He said: "Someone came over the Tannoy and said the Central line was being closed due to squeaky tracks. "How bad can it possibly be to disrupt thousands of people on their way home during rush hour? The noise is noticeable at Bank, but you couldn't call it unbearable. It's more of an irritant, really. "Why didn't they just leave it another hour or so and avoid all that chaos? After a hard day at work all you want to do is get home." Receptionist Kate Ward, 22, was on her way from Oxford Street to Bank when the driver announced the train would not be stopping. She said: "It seems very odd for platforms to be closed because of noise. I had to walk here from St Paul's to meet my brother for dinner. He got held up by the problems as well." Campaigners said it was the first time they had heard of noise levels closing down services. Jo deBank, from London TravelWatch, said: "I've never heard of anything like this happening before. The noise must have been bad. However, it is certainly problematic to have such a busy station close during rush hour for something that sounds like it could have been easily avoided. "It was incredibly disruptive for passengers during an extremely busy time in the evening." TfL said platforms had been closed before because of noisy trains. A spokesman said: "We closed the platforms because passengers were reporting that they could hear a loud screeching sound. "It does happen from time to time. You have metal rails running on metal tracks and they need lubrication. It would have been better to solve the problem before rush hour but our emergency team were on the scene quickly and were able to get the line running again." www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23660804-details/Tube+closed+for+being+too+noisy/article.doI dont understand it I love that noise WOOT!! ;D But isnt the curve at Waterloo Southbound bakerloo platform worse than the one at Bank
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Post by maxtube on Mar 11, 2009 17:37:02 GMT
I dont understand it I love that noise WOOT!! ;D Same here! ;D
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Post by metman on Mar 11, 2009 20:26:31 GMT
Well the Central Line's always been noisy! Even from day one!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2009 20:44:42 GMT
Just a dry rail greaser no doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2009 21:25:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2009 21:37:24 GMT
Trust the subStandard to accurately report the situation: Anyway - yes, the screeching can reach ear splitting levels. It's a sure bet that if they'd left the platforms open, the headline would have been about customers complaining about the noise levels. There's some situations where you just cannot win no matter what you do. Erm what about maintaining the tube to a decent standard. This is hardly new happens at Monument with the District Line. What an embarrasment to TFL/LU
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Post by happybunny on Mar 11, 2009 23:52:40 GMT
Why didn't they just put a TSR in, would that help the screeching ?
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Post by citysig on Mar 12, 2009 0:33:29 GMT
Or indeed, although not reported, the occurance at Baker Street (amongst a good many other locations) was repeated last week. Every northbound Met from the city for instance could be heard quite clearly through our supposed double-glazed windows. Many of the grease pots were in fact found to be full and in working order. The problem appears to be system wide and investigations are continuing. As for a TSR, the slower our trains went, the worse it was. As for closing platforms, I challenge even the most ardent supporter of the screech to spend several hours on the platform, and see if you don't come away with even the slightest headache. Health and Safety tends to stop a lot of things in this land, but on this occasion, I wouldn't put anyone through it.
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Post by Dmitri on Mar 12, 2009 9:57:28 GMT
There's some situations where you just cannot win no matter what you do. You cannot be blamed for running a service.
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Post by max on Mar 12, 2009 11:16:00 GMT
Obviously, there are staff health issues, but as a passenger, I find that inserting a finger in the ear on the side facing the train helps.
What I find unbearable is being at Paddington for any length of time. Stood on the concourse, all those throbbing diesel engines get really tiring to listen to. Would hate to work there.
Once Crossrail is built, close down Paddington and send everything else to Euston. At least there the concourse is separate from the platforms there. Would help fix the circle line problems too, because fewer people would want to go to Paddington.
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Post by amershamsi on Mar 12, 2009 13:11:07 GMT
Once Crossrail is built, close down Paddington and send everything else to Euston. At least there the concourse is separate from the platforms there. Would help fix the circle line problems too, because fewer people would want to go to Paddington. Euston would need to be twice as big to deal with that, plus a couple of extra platforms for HS2. What would happen to Paddington? IIRC it's listed. You'd have a big empty rail shed doing nothing. Electrification to Swansea and Bristol would help Paddington with the smell and hum - most of the trains would be electrified then.
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Post by maxtube on Mar 12, 2009 15:10:01 GMT
There's some situations where you just cannot win no matter what you do. You cannot be blamed for running a service. "Passengers were complaining today after a tube train stopped at Bank station." ;D
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Post by stanmorek on Mar 12, 2009 17:04:33 GMT
Many of the grease pots were in fact found to be full and in working order. The problem appears to be system wide and investigations are continuing. As for a TSR, the slower our trains went, the worse it was. Something I've been told. Not enough lubrication grease is distributed on the rails when there are service disruptions or stacking up of trains. I don't know if this is due to the design of the lubricators.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 0:50:42 GMT
There was a letter in one of the papers (thelondonpaper, I think) today from one of the passengers at Bank who claimed her (I think it was a her, anyway) hearing was still affected about two hours after having left the platform. I should have saved it to type up but I forgot..!
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Post by abe on Mar 13, 2009 8:59:21 GMT
There was a letter in one of the papers (thelondonpaper, I think) today from one of the passengers at Bank who claimed her (I think it was a her, anyway) hearing was still affected about two hours after having left the platform. I should have saved it to type up but I forgot..! Just pulled it from their website: Central line noise The noise boarding the Central line Tube was ear-bursting. Nearly two hours later my ears were still hurting and I cannot hear properly. This is atrocious especially if my ears don’t recover. Why wasn’t something done about this problem. It seems we can’t get anything right on the Tube. GJA
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Post by Chris M on Mar 13, 2009 9:17:18 GMT
"Why wasn't something done about this problem?" They did do something - they closed the station to prevent others having the same problem until they could fix it.
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Post by citysig on Mar 13, 2009 9:52:24 GMT
"It seems we can’t get anything right on the Tube."
Now did she say that or did the paper add it.
If it's the former, then it's one of those occasions where I would love to know what she does for a living. I wager it's another company that has its faults regularly highlighted.
If it's the latter, then no real surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 7:51:48 GMT
"It seems we can’t get anything right on the Tube." Now did she say that or did the paper add it. If it's the former, then it's one of those occasions where I would love to know what she does for a living. I wager it's another company that has its faults regularly highlighted. If it's the latter, then no real surprise. It was a letter, rather than a quote from an interview, so one would hope the paper *didn't* add it...!
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Post by Tomcakes on Mar 14, 2009 12:19:25 GMT
There will usually be a disclaimer such that "the Editor reserves the right to edit letters published" or suchlike.
I did notice when I was down in London recently that there were about 3 different freebie newspapers, alongside the Metro. Which itself seemed to be quite different from the rest of the country!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 12:56:38 GMT
It's been a problem since day x. There have been many occasions where I have seen people with noise meters... reportedly, the sound of an approaching train at Bank can be in the region of 96dB up to 113dB. I think other locations have been scouted for noise too, but I don't think Embankment on the Bakerloo is as bad.
After a while, you just get used to the squeal...
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Post by carlovel1 on Mar 14, 2009 13:14:44 GMT
It's been a problem since day x. There have been many occasions where I have seen people with noise meters... reportedly, the sound of an approaching train at Bank can be in the region of 96dB up to 113dB. I think other locations have been scouted for noise too, but I don't think Embankment on the Bakerloo is as bad. After a while, you just get used to the squeal... Embankment isnt even curved , im guessing u mean waterloo
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 13:29:44 GMT
Edit in that sense means to trim for length, not to insert additional statements. There will usually be a disclaimer such that "the Editor reserves the right to edit letters published" or suchlike. I did notice when I was down in London recently that there were about 3 different freebie newspapers, alongside the Metro. Which itself seemed to be quite different from the rest of the country!
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Post by Chris M on Mar 14, 2009 14:19:48 GMT
Edit in that sense means to trim for length, not to insert additional statements. Also remove (potentially) libellous statements as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 20:03:33 GMT
It's been a problem since day x. There have been many occasions where I have seen people with noise meters... reportedly, the sound of an approaching train at Bank can be in the region of 96dB up to 113dB. I think other locations have been scouted for noise too, but I don't think Embankment on the Bakerloo is as bad. After a while, you just get used to the squeal... Embankment isnt even curved , im guessing u mean waterloo *facepalm* I was probably thinking of Embankment n/b Northern Line. My brain tends to wander at odd moments.
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Post by citysig on Mar 14, 2009 20:19:45 GMT
I did notice when I was down in London recently that there were about 3 different freebie newspapers, alongside the Metro. Which itself seemed to be quite different from the rest of the country! All of which contribute nicely to the litter on our trains, and can occasionally, when blown down tunnels, get compacted under trainstops and cause signalling failures and severe delays. They don't tend to report to much on this side of things though, simply leaving the reader - yes the reader - with the "responsibility" to recycle the paper after reading it. Personally, if I did bother to pick up a copy, there is but one worthy re-use for such material. It's not ideal, but the paper is soft enough....
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Post by Tomcakes on Mar 14, 2009 20:27:25 GMT
We don't seem to have a problem here - there are recycling bins at termini, where passengers dump them in the morning. On buses people return them to the rack when they get off and any left on seats are picked up by the driver at the end of the trip.
Of course since LU proclaim bins to be such a major threat to our lives...
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Post by Colin on Mar 15, 2009 12:20:00 GMT
Come on now - the removal of bins was not dictated by LU!
The IRA were the reason for the removal of bins - the climate even today means that LU is quite rightly extremely reluctant to re-introduce them....having clear bags at open section stations is something that I don't think LU are entirely comfortable with, but it's a start.
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