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Post by rebeltc130 on Jul 25, 2017 15:16:01 GMT
Though Route D apparently appeared later in very modified form as the Victoria Line, what were the other planned stops on the Route D proposal from Yeading Lane up to Liverpool Street?
Particularly interested to know the route between Victoria and Liverpool Street, along with how near some of the planned stops on the route between Yeading Lane and Goldhawk Road were to Southall, Hanwell, West Ealing, north of Ealing Common, west of Acton Central as well as between Acton Central and Goldhawk Road.
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Post by rebeltc130 on Jul 10, 2017 16:20:00 GMT
Have checked out the maps for the link on the 1949 plan though was hoping for the maps to be more transparent particularly in Central London where the high priority routes overlap with each other or failing that go into more specific details on the other lower priority routes that were considered in a similar format to how the schemes were listed as mentioned by theblackferret. Thanks for the link to the 1965 plan, it has some interesting proposals.
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Post by rebeltc130 on Jul 9, 2017 20:40:50 GMT
Not sure if I've understood rebelt's idea. There was certainly a GER scheme to connect the Chingford and Loughton branches by a tunnel under the Forest and then a connection in from the south-west near Spring Grove. But that was before the area was covered by £1m+ houses. In fact, the formation from Leyton to Leytonstone is the protected Chelsea-Hackney corridor, though it has got a bit tighter with the A12 road of 1999. CR2 was of course originally planned to take over the Epping branch. But the Epping Forest District is 93% green belt and proposals for massive development there would be highly contentious (and would accrue to EFDC, not to London authorities), whereas Meridian Water etc are largely unloved brownfield. The Central Line terminus at Loughton? Well, there is plenty of space at Debden, and Theydon Bois is a little-used station. But the reason for Epping being such a magnet for long distance commuters (Central or CR2)is the Zone 6 fares. This has now got to such a state that there wasn't a single space in the Town car park (even tho half a mile from the station) at 0930 one recent Monday. My idea for CR2's Eastern Branch is partly drawn from the Carto Metro London map so the Central Line ends up being less of a magnet for long distance commuters though changes to the London fare Zones would also help, was envisioning if feasible part of the proposed CR2 route towards Epping from Chingford to Loughton being underground. The Epping route is but one way to expand the CR2 Eastern Branch from Hackney and interested to know whether other parts of the east / northeast could benefit from CR2.
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Post by rebeltc130 on Jul 9, 2017 20:27:36 GMT
Thanks theblackferret.
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Post by rebeltc130 on Jul 8, 2017 18:37:37 GMT
Understand though would it not still be possible for CR2 to take over the Epping branch from Chingford via Loughton (since both overground and sub-surface appear to be options) or have other options been explored since then such as re-joining the main CR2 branch at Tottenham Hale from Hackney via Clapton (or from Hackney to Tottenham Hale via Stratford International and Lea Bridge) or a different route towards the east / northeast altogether? I'm not sure what you are getting at here. Any similarity between CR2 and the previous Chelsea - Hackney tube is confined merely to the route through central London and the goals of serving the Chelsea / Wimbledon and Hackney areas. CR2 has been, for a long time now (even the 'metro version'), been a line built to accommodate UK standard gauge trains - NOT tube sized ones. As such if CR2 were somehow routed to Epping via the current central line (which has had numerous alterations to odd bits of infrastructure - plus new build stuff like the structures associated with the A12 at Leytonstone, then serious rebuilding involving significant line closures) would be needed. Was bringing up a possible future CR2 extension of the Eastern branch at Hackney to Epping as a way of starting up a discussion on other potential CR2 extensions of the Hackney to the east / northeast. This proposed Hackney to Epping alternative for example instead of simply taking over the Epping route from Leytonstone, rather avoids the A12 at Leytonstone entirely by heading to Stratford International from Hackney towards Hall Farm Curve after Lea Bridge onto the Lea Valley branch to Chingford prior to being diverted towards Loughton onwards to Epping. It would somewhat mollify campaigners seeking to reopen the Chingford to Stratford line (albeit stopping at Stratford International instead thereby making that particular station less of a white elephant), while helping to ease congestion on the Central Line's Epping branch as a result of commuters currently driving to Epping from further afield due to CR2 taking over the Epping route from Loughton. There would also be potential options for further CR2 expansion from Epping if needed so. Also a future Central line terminus at Loughton as a result of CR2 continuing onwards to Epping from Loughton would be in line with Loughton currently serving as the Central's Night Tube terminus as well as with recent changes to the 167 Bus route terminating at Loughton instead of Debden. Whether it would be feasible to expand CR2's Eastern branch to Hackney in such a way sometime down the road is another matter and depends on CR2 actually being built first.
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Post by rebeltc130 on Jul 6, 2017 19:43:31 GMT
Interested in finding out more about the lesser known Routes considered in the 1949 London Railways aside from the Recommended Routes A, D, F and G. Particularly curious to know more about the lower priority proposals that may or may not have connected with Moorgate on the Northern City line and whether it is any different from previous proposals.
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Post by rebeltc130 on Jul 2, 2017 8:16:14 GMT
The Epping branch takeover was proposed for the Chelsea - Hackney route and would have been worked by the same size trains as the Central line. Time has moved on. A dual carriageway has been built next to Leytonstone station which restricts the options and any new line will have full size trains which wouldn't be able to share track and platforms with the Central line. Understand though would it not still be possible for CR2 to take over the Epping branch from Chingford via Loughton (since both overground and sub-surface appear to be options) or have other options been explored since then such as re-joining the main CR2 branch at Tottenham Hale from Hackney via Clapton (or from Hackney to Tottenham Hale via Stratford International and Lea Bridge) or a different route towards the east / northeast altogether?
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Post by rebeltc130 on Jul 2, 2017 4:49:32 GMT
Understand it is all speculation at the moment and that it is likely the CR2 eastern branch does not happen, simply interested to know the potential routes such a branch would likely take down the road if it did happen or was somehow re-purposed into another Crossrail route.
Can see why some would currently suggest the CR2 eastern branch take over all / part of the Central line's Epping branch given its usage by consumers coming further afield from deep into Essex and beyond (though would argue the Hainault via Newbury Park branch is a lot more crowded during rush hour), just interested to know of the likely alternatives through the east / northeast that do not appear to potentially conflict with CR1 or entail butchering the Central line.
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Post by rebeltc130 on Jul 1, 2017 21:06:37 GMT
Though the route for Crossrail 2 has yet to be finalized, what are the likely proposed plans for the future eastern branch from Hackney if it does end up being approved?
Is it still envisioned that Crossrail 2’s Proposed Eastern Branch if finalized would eventually take over the Epping branch of the Central line (from Leytonstone) which some have suggested or have other alternative routes for the proposed Eastern Branch been considered?
Not whether this particular thread belongs in the feasible sub-forum as it is more a question to get an idea as to what is currently being discussed and possible rather than a suggestion.
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