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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jun 9, 2022 22:50:25 GMT
There are new announcements on most of the deep level trains. 'When you see something that looks unusual speak to a member of staff or text British Transport Police on 61016 and we'll get it sorted. That's 61016. See it, say it, sorted.' Never heard the number pronounced like that! Part of me wishes they could have gotten Celia's 61016 message from the SWT trains but of course real world contracts and such probably wouldn't allow that
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jun 7, 2022 13:52:37 GMT
"This train terminates at x" still perfectly suffices on the Jubble, what's wrong with "...terminates at x via y" on the Northern? I don't understand this obsession with announcing the line on the train.. with all the platform train announcements saying the line before the destination, does the information need to be told multiple times?
South of Kennington, there's only Balham or Stockwell with interchanges. The last update made the Balham announcement less verbose - "National Rail services" as opposed to "mainline suburban rail services". I can only imagine it's the destination announcement that's making it run over. (Perhaps "This is a Northern line train (via Charing Cross) terminating at Mill Hill East" in the peaks?)
It's quite amusing how, the distance between Embankment and Charing Cross is so small, that often by the time the doors open at Charing Cross northbound the SDO announcement is still playing
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jun 5, 2022 20:05:27 GMT
Aren't the DLR ones some form of text-to-speech?
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Post by AndrewPSSP on May 24, 2022 23:45:46 GMT
When my Northern Line train arrived at Tottenham Court Road passengers were advised they they could change for the Central Line - nothing else. Presumably it will take some time to update the on train announcements. Part of me hopes when they get round to changing it Celia just announces "National Rail services"
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Post by AndrewPSSP on May 21, 2022 7:24:43 GMT
I thought it was a mother combing her daughter's hair
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Post by AndrewPSSP on May 20, 2022 13:45:39 GMT
I can't remember where it was but I remember reading somewhere on a strike day the workers still went to work but didn't take any fares
Probably delving into fantasy, but would/could striking LU staff do this?
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Post by AndrewPSSP on May 18, 2022 3:40:45 GMT
Looks like it might be one of the stations the Jubble and Met meet
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Post by AndrewPSSP on May 12, 2022 21:07:25 GMT
Are freq. to Morden staying the same?
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Apr 10, 2022 19:49:45 GMT
Thanks for all your responses, very enlightening Not sure about the Northern.... Part of me wonders if at least south of Kennington it is in protected manual, when I use it on Sundays the journey does feel a bit smoother, although that just be a placebo effect from my prior knowledge that ATO lines may be driven manually on Sundays...
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Apr 10, 2022 10:28:39 GMT
Disruption at Stratford apparently on my way this morning due to a faulty train No trains between North Greenwich and Stratford
I'm fairly certain my train going west towards Stanmore is being driven in "coded manual" (or equivalent for the Jubilee line), as at Canary Wharf the train stopped about a door set too short and had to start and stop again, Can anyone shed light if the issue is because of ATO? And also, how often are the trains driven manually now on the ATO lines, especially on the Jubilee line with what I presume are tight tolerances with the Leads
Many thanks
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Apr 9, 2022 21:48:09 GMT
Also, what was the point of her doing Bank and Notting Hill Gate when they are exactly the same as before. Exactly my thoughts with the Northern line at Bank - I understand it's because the Celia announcements say Docklands Light Railway, but I personally don't see the point re-recording the whole thing just for that. I suppose the "powers that be" have some sort of philosophy they're following
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Apr 7, 2022 12:48:18 GMT
I believe it's been previously said a while back that the announcements have been updated to include the new railway.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Apr 3, 2022 21:57:29 GMT
I think the mock-up looks quite nice, it would be weird seeing something different though. What I'm intrigued about is how the traction motors will sound, and also the announcements. I remember reading on here that it would be some sort of speech synthesis software - perhaps like the DLR? Is there perhaps more information on this?
Also I'm sorry but reading "new 24" or "N24" only makes me think of one thing...
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Apr 2, 2022 19:54:21 GMT
Oh.. I'm not a fan! For all its faults I really do love the motor sounds of the 92 stock
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jan 25, 2022 12:27:56 GMT
Yes I agree. I feel the Northern and Victoria line displays display systems are some of the best on the network for showing information a passenger would need, when they need it. With your point on the displays, I'm not too sure on the Viccy but on the Northern line the display does go blank after the next station announcement has sounded, but the "this station is.." message begins just before the train comes to a complete halt
Also, I think the Northern line Celia announcements are the best on the network for clarity. It is relatively easier to hear Celia than it is the new lady.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jan 25, 2022 11:18:08 GMT
The thread on the old ANITA announcements made me think of a few questions How long does it take for changes to announcements be rolled out across a line's fleet of trains, how does this information on the on-board computer get transmitted onto the displays and speakers throughout the train, and how does the train know when to fire the announcements - especially the station approach? I am especially interested in the 1996/95 stock and those coming before, especially those who had these systems installed later on in their lives.
Also, why do the Jubilee line displays find it difficult to simply display the station name when the train stops in a station?
Most trains will display it for around 3 seconds if you're lucky before going to the destination text. Some trains I've found scroll through the next station text once or twice whilst standing at the station before going to the destination text. I have been on one train (multiple times I believe) that when stopped at the station show the station name, and don't update until leaving the station and the next station text is generated.
There also seems to be a high delay between the "this station is" "the next station is" and "this train terminates at" and actual station information announcements, especially when compared to older pre-TBTC footage. How could this have affected the announcements, and why has this not affected the Northern line?
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jan 25, 2022 10:44:38 GMT
I believe she is going to be replaced with Elinor Hamilton, similarly to how she has on the Northern line. Celia has only been replaced on the Northern at Kennington and Bank, and I hope that they only change the announcements for Crossrail stations. That being said, for the period of the Bank branch closure, the announcement has gone back to the plain original Celia announcement at Kennington. Does anyone know when the old announcements which used to announce the next station on the line were phased out and why this was? ... LU having retained the original voice which does not use the "This is a jubilee line train to stratford" sort of style? Also a point for the ANITA announcements, I believe she never announced the next station. Her announcements going as follows: Station, interchange, destination. I've found it quite amusing how there's no introduction such as "This station is" on her announcements. Very brisk, much like the old Michael Meech announcements. I think it's also worth saying that the Northern line also used to have the same style of destination announcements, replaced by the ridiculously verbose announcement we have now.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jan 17, 2022 2:27:20 GMT
Aren't Oyster PAYG fares for the mainline more expensive though?
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Dec 21, 2021 9:53:13 GMT
Since last evening I've noticed the platform dot matrix displays, at least between London Bridge and North Greenwich inclusive, have been displaying generic messages, such as "JUBILEE LINE : GOOD SERVICE" or "PLEASE KEEP YOUR LUGGAGE WITH YOU AT ALL TIMES". The ones I saw at Canary Wharf earlier simply displayed "please check front of train for destination", a la the SSR, and the one at London Bridge was just blank, save for the clock.
Does anyone know what's happening? I presume there's something wrong with the signalling system that's making them display these messages. I'm fairly sure the Northern line uses the same ATO system, and its displays are still working, even the ancient one at London Bridge.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Nov 21, 2021 21:05:11 GMT
I, too, remember this site. I believe it was of German origin. I tried finding it last year to no avail. I suspect it's been taken off-line.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Oct 9, 2021 8:22:47 GMT
Status board at North Greenwich showed the Northern line Bank branch is suspended, TfL Go app saying it's for the whole weekend. Is this related to the platform works?
On a another note, part of me is excited that this is the first time a Tube closure has actually affected my journey, although I'm less excited at the prospect at having to change at Waterloo instead of London Bridge...
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Sept 20, 2021 19:15:27 GMT
What makes me laugh is I've never seen more than a dozen people waiting on Wanstead Inner Rail at any time and there's a PA encouraging them to use the whole of the platform. Another funny one is/was added by Tubelines at Westminster on the Jubilee, played as the train approached; "... stand back from the platform edge.". Were they worried the PED screens might get blown over? Meanwhile Waterloo Bakerloo seems to possess PEDs!
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Sept 2, 2021 22:09:57 GMT
Video including the new announcement for Bank towards the end. I don't know if this, or doing the Central line approach of having Celia announce the station and the new voice the interchange, is better or worse... By the way, why did Bank have to change? I thought the current (new-old) announcements were good enough... Ah well, you can't please everyone... On the plus side, 'Waterloo and City' does sound like a coherent whole line rather than two separate ones which I thought the previous recording did. Shame we can't have 'Waterloo & City' on the visuals, but apparently the font set for this kit doesn't include an '&'.
Personally I think the original recordings sounded the most coherent, although it was a bit odd starting with W first!
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Sept 2, 2021 21:49:48 GMT
Didn't manage to take a picture of it but something amusing I saw at Victoria the other day were the Google Pay stickers on the readers, and Apple Pay adverts on the paddles!
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Aug 1, 2021 19:34:40 GMT
I think a lot of the Bakerloo still has them too I presume you are referring to this style? I like the some of the ones on the Northern in the Small Caps typeset
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jul 18, 2021 17:54:17 GMT
This is similar to the old door open buttons on the 95/96TS as these would often be lit at odd times, again had no effect on the door operation, usually a fault with a Train Management Remote Terminal (TMRT) That reminds me.. I know it's slightly off-topic but I do miss the door open buttons on the exterior of the doors on the 1996TS. The light on the button would extinguish maybe ~0.5-1.5s before the doors closing chime and the doors closed.. precious little time that was useful in gauging if I should run or not and allowed me to catch a train that I would otherwise have missed! Less useful but slightly more aesthetically pleasing also was that they would light before the doors opened (when the door open chime sounded). I miss seeing the occasional person trying to press the button.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jun 28, 2021 6:44:08 GMT
Why won't they be able to? I thought it was all digital displays at Richmond
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jun 26, 2021 18:46:33 GMT
To the individual who was wondering what the core announcements sound like, a visit through Custom House gave some answers. The Elizabeth Line announcements are clearly audible from DLR platforms. START The train now approaching platform (A or B) is the Elizabeth Line service to (destination). END Similar announcements were heard for trains non-stopping Custom House. Obviously as TfL Rail gets knitted into the core these announcements may grow in length but they appear to be the same voice that’s currently loaded onto TfL’s Aventra onboard announcements. I assume Emma Higgnet then? I don't know about the other lines, but I do know that her platform announcements were replaced by Anne a while back on the East London line. Wonder how long before she is replaced there too - I personally can't stand her announcements on the railways! Nothing to do with her voice, but the way they are stitched together really grates me.
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jun 22, 2021 21:33:54 GMT
So how many trains have the new leds in their interiors? Will this be rolled out across the fleet? There is a video on YouTube showing an example of a train which had been done There is currently 1 '35' unit and 1 '32' unit converted. Work has restarted and the rest of the fleet will be done, we will also be getting a wheelchair bay in the '42' special trailer car and new DVA systems with dot matrix displays but this will be after the LED lighting upgrade. Whist the new LED's are extremely bright and the interiors are well lit, they are a slightly higher colour temperature and I'm not personally a fan, too clinical for my liking (this is only really noticeable when comparing new and old units side by side) I'm still upset at the removal of the nice little circular lights at the car ends!
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Jun 10, 2021 22:55:25 GMT
The "doors will open on the x hand side" announcements were introduced in June 2016, and it was announced that Crossrail would be called the Elizabeth line in February 2016. Hopefully she may have recorded announcements for the Elizabeth line at the same time.
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