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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 7, 2021 16:39:51 GMT
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 7, 2021 12:23:28 GMT
Would the West Anglia inners be considered seperate lines, considering they share relatively few stations? My preference is for NLL, Too similar to the Northern Line? It goes a long way west. How about naming it after the father-and-son team who built its most distinctive feature? like it - everyone using the line is going to, from, or through that station! Potential confusion with the Watford branch of the Met. The LNWR, who built the line, styled itself as "The Premier Line" - premier meaning not only the best, but the first (as it incorporated the Liverpool & Manchester Railway) Too much potential for confusion with the other operator at Liverpool Street, and in any case neither line actually gets into East Anglia proper (lying entirely with the Kingdom of the Middle Saxons). "Lea Valley" has been suggested, but that is historically used for the line through Tottenham Hale and Ponders End. Chingford Line and Enfield Line seem suitable, although the latter may be considered ambiguous as the GN line also serves Enfield, and the name ignores the Southbury loop. It is sometimes known as the "Seven Sisters" line but, of course, the Victoria Line also serves that station. Edmonton Line?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 28, 2021 9:57:56 GMT
The downloadable pdf gives the train length as 113.7m which is roughly 5m longer than 1973TS. Curiously, the vehicle in the artist's impression looks to be a similar length to the existing stock, instead of only two thirds the length as those figures imply. Or will the end cars be longer than the intermediate ones?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 16, 2021 9:13:19 GMT
In our household, we refer to the "Discreet" Line, the "MetroLOPitan Line" and the "Piccalilli Line", and Vauxenhall, Westmonster and Leffington Castle stations. I also hear "Errol's Court", but that's more to do with a Scottish accent than a deliberate mispronunciation. Clapham Junction has been "Claffam" ever since a 4-year old member of the family (now in his twenties) misread the station signs.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 26, 2021 12:33:32 GMT
It is technically a Tube, but then so are the Northern City Line and the "Super Sewer" (and the SSL are not).
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 25, 2021 7:46:06 GMT
If this model's scale is 1/100 but the track gauge is OO/HO, it will scale to 1650mm or 5'5" - close to Iberian gauge. This looks particularly over-wide to British modellers' eyes, as they are used to OO models whose gauge is under-scale (16.5mm gauge scales to about 4'1")
(This is because back in the early 1920s when 16.5mm gauge was introduced to the UK market, the only mechanisms available were designed for HO (1:87, or3.5mm to the foot)) models of foreign locomotives built to more generous loading gauges than British trains. To get round this the OO ("hence Dublo") standard was adopted, using the same 16.5mm track as HO, but a larger scale of 1:76 (4mm to the foot).
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 23, 2021 7:55:25 GMT
Was salmon pink and pale blue also a feature of Waterloo & City interiors at one time? Quite possibly - the parent company was the LSWR, whose main line coaches' external livery included salmon pink.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 19, 2021 19:39:09 GMT
All I can add is that it wouldn't have been possible to "do" both last passenger trains, even if the earlier one (Aldwych) had run on time. The last scheduled departure from Aldwych was 18.28 followed by a 'staff train' departure at 18.37. I couldn't recall the exact time, but as I worked just down the road I was able to ride the last train from Holborn to Aldwych. I wasn't on the very last train back to Holborn - instead I became, as far as I am aware, the last paying passenger to have used the lift!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 3, 2021 12:31:57 GMT
Quite ridiculous to change onto the Piccadilly at Earl's Court to go to Gloucester Road. Nice to see the 4RF4 on the airport coach service. At this time the coaches were flight specific. Once you boarded the coach the connection to the flight was assured. Indeed- it would actually be quicker just to walk from Earls Court, as the air terminal was roughly halfway between them. Or just stay on the No 30, which got almost as close. And his sense of direction is rather confused if he thinks the Air Terminal was further west than Putney. Maybe the Midland Pullman (still running in early 1966) would have been quicker?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 27, 2021 17:45:41 GMT
In the days of hand-worked doors on the District (as late as the 50s, I think, according to my dad) the saloon doors were opened by passengers on hot days. People had to be their own Safety Elves in those days. According to "Going Green", the last ones were used on the Olympia shuttle, and were replaced in 1959 by three new trains of R stock (designated R59)
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 18, 2021 7:46:19 GMT
There is no such time as 24:00 as on the modified diagram. The next minute on timetables is 00:01. The use of midnight would have been preferable or 23:59. 24:00 is correct if signifying the end of something, as here. 00:00 if marking the beginning of something. To avoid confusion over which day is referred to, NR railway timetables on regular interval services usually adjust times to be 2359 (departure) or 0001 (arrival). For technical reasons digital clocks displays run 23:59:59, 00:00:00, 00:00:01 rather than 23:59:59, 24:00:00, 00:00:01 although either would be correct.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 14, 2021 17:12:00 GMT
It is also common for a depot to have a ‘Christmas tree’; a train set aside as a source of parts to keep the others operating especially when spares become hard to obtain. That doesn't sound a very efficient way of holding spares. It seems to be quite common when a unit or vehicle is out of commission for a long time because of a major problem, that spare parts are "borrowed" from it to keep other members of the fleet going. This may on occasion be easier than ordering a spare part, especially if it needs to be ordered from an off-site location (whether an in-house (but remote) store or from an external supplier. I think it usually just happens, rather than an official designation of a donor vehicle. "Oh we need a replacement headlight Fred" "get one off No 6, it's not going anywhere until they've repaired it after the accident". And so gradually No 6 is whittled away, until it's either written off or repaired (when all the missing components will be replaced).
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 3, 2021 10:38:50 GMT
White City was built as a terminal loop as a one-stop extension from the original Shepherds Bush terminus and, because of the geometry of the tight curves necessary to negotiate the right angle under Shepherds Bush Green, it ran anticlockwise. When the line was further extended to Ealing, the station had to be rebuilt, with the loop opened out, but as a consequence of the previous anticlockwise loop, right-hand running operates through White City, hence the flyover between there and East Acton.
The exit from the tunnel features in a chase scene in the Ealing Studios film "The Blue Lamp", featuring Dirk Bogarde as a hoodlum and Jack Warner as the policeman he murders.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 31, 2020 12:27:38 GMT
I often mused, as regular user of the Drain, on what would be the effect on capacity and average end-to-end journey time (as waiting time would be zero) if the Travolator went all the way to Waterloo
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 31, 2020 6:37:40 GMT
(iirc the amount of spoil to be dealt with increases with the cube of the diameter). The square of the diameter, not the cube. The volume of spoil is the length of the tunnel x its cross sectional area. The area is pi/4 x d squared.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 31, 2020 6:30:55 GMT
If Brunel's gauge had prevailed, there would have been no break-of-gauge between the Underground and the other British lines. Initial construction costs would have been somewhat higher... There is no break of track gauge, only a break of loading gauge between tube lines and mainline (which aren't much different in size to the subsurface lines). Brunel's gauge was a broad track gauge wasn't it? So I'm not sure I get what you're saying. I assumed he meant if the Gauge Commission had decided to standardise on Brunel Gauge rather than Stephenson Gauge for railways in Great Britain
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 17, 2020 23:40:48 GMT
Will the ac train units be compatible with the dc train units? (ie: able to work together in the same train) If not, could a situation be reached whereby there are times when there is a shortage of serviceable train units which causes a cancellation (or two) from the timetable? Continuing on with the scenario (above), maybe some temporary short-length shuttle services would be operated? eh: Loughton - Epping, (Leytonstone -) Woodford - Hainault, (White City -) North Action - Ealing Broadway... ? Don't see why there should be a problem. On the Big Railway retractioned 455s work fine with original-condition 456s
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 1, 2020 9:21:12 GMT
but at one stage there was a plan for the District to go to Rayners Lane The District did go to Rayners Lane, and indeed Uxbridge, between 1910 and 1933
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 21, 2020 15:09:50 GMT
The relevant act deals with track gauge, which is the same at both ends of the Channel Tunnel, not loading gauge. It will be an issue if we ever get a crossing of the Irish Sea though. But the Spanish cracked that problem over 50 years ago
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 21, 2020 15:00:21 GMT
The car numbers appear to be 131 and 231. (the 483's car numbers are 12x and 22x) Are these complete, or truncated versions of the now-standard NR six-digit format? ands
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 19, 2020 17:05:51 GMT
An understandable misunderstanding, although as the word "service" was used this would have had to be a timetabled train and there is no 1400 or 1600 service to Fishbourne (Sussex) from either Portsmouth station. (The direct rail service leaves Portsmouth & Southsea at xx57).
The Portsmouth-Ryde ferry is passengers only - the vehicle ferry goes to Fishbourne, a few miles west of Ryde. Two services needed presumably because the ship can only manage one carriage at a time.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 14, 2020 14:58:02 GMT
I dont believe the 38 stock was ever in service on the Central Line. Yes it was! (trailers only, mind) It also ran on the Met, first very briefly on the Stanmore branch, before transfer to the Bakerloo, and later, for a longer period, on what was then the Met's East London Section
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 13, 2020 12:48:05 GMT
I've looked through the index of all the RAIB reports published to date and believe the only incidents of road vehicles striking railway bridges the RAIB have investigated have been:.............. . A long time ago, but I remember this one from 1978. (Digger on a low loader hit a bridge just as a train was approaching, and derailed it. Also this one in 1975 (in Ireland, so not investigated by the RAIB but by its Irish counterpart). Similar circumstances except that there were no warning signs, and more serious consequences (five fatalities).
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 13, 2020 9:16:18 GMT
Possibly skimming RAIB report titles would also yield some info, I expect they'd look at anything like that; not offering to do so at the moment.
I've looked through the index of all the RAIB reports published to date and believe the only incidents of road vehicles striking railway bridges the RAIB have investigated have been:.............. . A long time ago, but I remember this one from 1978. (Digger on a low loader hit a bridge just as a train was approaching, and derailed it. Despite one carriage going down the embankment and another ending up on its side there were only minor injuries. The same excavator had been driven under the bridge before, but on this occasion, after loading and unknown to the driver, the jib had been operated and not stowed properly. The lorry driver ran along the track to warn oncoming trains (choosing the direction with the poorer sightline), but unfortunately the train came from the other direction. The accident happened on a Friday morning. By Sunday afternoon the damaged span had been replaced and the line re-opened!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 12, 2020 14:27:13 GMT
Thank you for all this info. Does that mean the 1923 stock trailers, at 60, were the oldest LT stock ever to run in passenger service? In LT service, probably. But there is 1938 stock still in service today on the Isle of Wight.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 12, 2020 12:24:12 GMT
Was it as late as 1983? I recall type testing the 3 car 60TS + 38TS trailer formation in the summer of 1976 or maybe 1977. Perhaps the changeover was a slow one with the last unit carrying on to the early 80s. It was a very slow process, taking from 1975 to 1983. There was a hiatus when it was realised asbestos had to be removed from the 1960 cars. In the event only three (of the original six) units were converted web.archive.org/web/20180807175248/http://www.cravensheritagetrains.co.uk/1960.htm
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 12, 2020 8:36:05 GMT
When did the last of the ex-Standard stock cars disappear from the scene,then? According to this 11-year old thread, the last of the "58" trailers was withdrawn in 1974 Although standard stock trailers continued to work on the Woodford shuttle, with 1960 DMs, until 1983.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 11, 2020 21:46:24 GMT
Why these particular cars were surplus is hard to say but many of them may have been made spare from the Northern and Bakerloo Lines Most were originally built for the Northern Line. The limited number of doors may have been a factor in why they were chosen to be transferred to the much less busy Bakerloo, whilst the Northern got all-new trains (and later 9-car versions), and the Central got the later versions of Standard stock
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 11, 2020 17:36:30 GMT
What would appear to be very effective, but I have not seen done in practice, is a proposal I once saw for a dense spray across the path of the offending vehicle on which can be projected the word "STOP" (or a picture of a brick wall).
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 10, 2020 21:18:10 GMT
I'm sure that many of the newer standard stock trailers had end doors. I would have thought that there was a mixture of cars with and without end doors formed into Bakerloo sets. Anyone know about the ratio. According to Brian Hardy's listing, unlike the Isle of Wight cars, which were a very mixed bag, the "58" trailers were all converted from one batch, built in 1927 - before end doors were a thing. Originally numbered in the range 1126-1208 and renumbered in the 1930 scheme in the 75xx range. On conversion to work with 1938 stock, they were renumbered in the 705xx range.
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