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Post by zcap on May 2, 2018 21:16:03 GMT
Hey all,
I was at West Ken tonight and noticed that the Platform Repeater for the wrong road starter signal WC9 as dark (as in, not displaying ANY aspect) whilst WC9 itself was as usual at danger. Anyone else notice this? Any reason why this is the case? It then occurred to me, why isn't WC9 "approach lit" like the wrong road starter at Northwood?
Hope you are all well!
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Post by zcap on Feb 13, 2018 21:10:28 GMT
Thanks MoreToJack and North End for those answers. I wouldve thought it a bit harsh to treat it the same as a SPAD, unless of course a SPAD occurs. I remember reading somewhere that Whitechapels "old" layout was also particularly awful for trains tripping, much like Edgware road, with their delayed trainstops. Sorry to be asking the obvious here zcap but did it have its headlights or taillights on? As far as I remember, the headlights were on (however i'm not 100% certain). I remember seeing someone walking around the cab. The saloon lights were on too, so the train was on juice. From my position I couldnt make out whether the rear of the train was clear of no.7 points or not. A train was waiting on platform 2 (northbound) during my wait, but no trains came into platform 3.
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Post by zcap on Feb 12, 2018 21:54:42 GMT
Hi all, In my convoluted adventures upon the underground today I arrived at Baker Street at around 1:30pm and went up to the Met Line platforms hoping to jump on a Southbound train to Euston Square. I looked northbound and saw a train stopped at the foot of Platform 4, showing no destination on the trains destination indicator. I waited for a while and the train didnt move. Announcements on platform 3 were telling us to go to platform 5 to "continue our journey". I hung around and the train remained in situ. It appeared to block the southbound approach and as such, no trains passed through platform 3.
My question... What happened? I figured that the train mustve tripped on the outer blind trainstop. Was this so?
To continue on this point, do such events count as SPADs since there is no actual signal associated with the trainstop?
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Post by zcap on Feb 4, 2018 12:49:21 GMT
Dear everyone, Thank you all who responded and posted here, Ive been away for the for the past few weeks hence my lack of responsiveness. I appreciate the niche-ness of what I was asking for so to have gotten such a fruitful set of responses and attempts at finding the diagrams certainly made my morning today. Those videos especially, are excellent! So thank you all for your contributions.
zcap
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Post by zcap on Jan 16, 2018 15:38:15 GMT
Hey all, happy new year! I hope the new year is treating you all well. Another ridiculous signalling related question today and as you have guessed, its about the good old ELL.
Does anyone, by any chance, have a copy of the signalling diagram of the ELL before it closed? Preferably when Shoreditch was still open. Ive had a pretty in depth search around the web but apart from Harsigs diagram, it was to no avail. :/
Many thanks for your responses, zcap
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Post by zcap on Dec 12, 2017 2:37:02 GMT
They spread around the BR network,particularly in the areas still served by slam-door stock,in the 90s And the legacy of the slam door era yellow lines still lives on today, in the South... For example, Woolwich Arsenal, with a graciously low line speed of 20Mph through it; one cant help but notice the massive distance between the edge of the platform and the yellow line. One would expect a HST to be passing through at 125Mph if they saw that gap, only to be greeted by a sweet Networker (or occasionally a Class 376, and very soon Ufos.. I mean, 700s), crawling into the station as if it was trying to sneak up on you. I guess some poor fella musta got it bad from a 415 once upon a time, im sure getting hit by those doors was more than just a headache. Nontheless, pulling it back the initial question of interest, was there any reason for its apparently rapid application? As far as memory and pictures are concerned, one may as well claim it was an overnight phenomenon.
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Post by zcap on Dec 11, 2017 1:58:47 GMT
Hey all,
Only a simple one tonight. Does anyone know for certain when yellow lines on platforms became a thing on Underground Stations? And in fact, why they were introduced? Its been picking away at me and I haven't really been able to find anything concrete, only that it must've happened some time in the very late 90's early 2000's (which is vaguely what I seem to recall from some very early memories), but ive always wondered when and why they were introduced.
Thanks in advance,
zcap
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Post by zcap on Sept 21, 2017 1:33:17 GMT
Living next to the railway certainly has its benefits; about an hour ago I heard the ufo-esque motors and ran to see a class 700 pull into my local station. A quick search confirms it as 5Z82, Blackfriars to Blackfriars via Denmark Hill, Lewisham, Woolwich Arsenal, Slade Green, Eltham, Lewisham, Denmark Hill and Blackfriars.
Certainly exciting times.
Does anyone know if this route going to be timetabled, alongside the Rainham services?
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Post by zcap on Sept 21, 2017 1:26:38 GMT
I seek please two geographic clarifications. I assume that the Rainham being discussed here is the one in Kent (and not Essex) and the Luton being discussed here is the one in Bedfordshire (and not Kent). Are my assumptions correct? If so, it is in a way a shame, as through trains from Luton to Luton and from Rainham to Rainham (when in both cases the physical locations are many miles apart and the journeys are not circular) would be viable, albeit at the cost of perplexing any passengers who have no idea of geography. (services to Rainham Essex might work better after the Goblin route has been energised) Simon Thine assumptions are indeed correct! The idea of a Rainham to Rainham service is certainly entertaining xD
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Post by zcap on Sept 16, 2017 12:44:18 GMT
I was travelling home late last night and as I arrived into Woolwich Arsenal, I noticed on the train describer a train which terminates at West Silvertown due to depart Woolwich Arsenal at 00:29. This struck me as absurdly odd. What is the point of such a service? Where does it go on to? And why not continue in revenue service?
Thanks
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Post by zcap on Aug 21, 2017 9:54:14 GMT
The A stock RAT is destined to have one last season on the Met. Now that is good news! 😁
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Post by zcap on Aug 20, 2017 20:12:35 GMT
Thank you all for your answers! Thou beest most welcome! 😁
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Post by zcap on Aug 20, 2017 9:03:50 GMT
I rather enjoy when the lights go out on '96 stock, it reminds me that they are getting old. As old as me But, in all seriousness, its getting more and more common now on stocks like the '96 stock, which, im not particularly against. The short bouts of darkness are quite fun imo. Not so recently, I got on a '95 stock at Waterloo towards Warren Street, and all the lights in the first carriage were out except two by the interconnecting doors. I sat by the cab and just enjoyed the ride in the darkness.
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Post by zcap on Aug 16, 2017 19:16:13 GMT
Legend, I knew i'd read it somewhere on the forum!
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Post by zcap on Aug 16, 2017 17:23:47 GMT
Why is OJ20 semi-automatic? To prevent trains from carrying on when the service is suspended west of King's Cross and have to reverse via OJ17 and 18 points? Also, why is A201 red in the after diagram? Greetings. For A.201, I assume its because it has a timed track circuit (and a policeman, a timed trainstop without a signal) in rear of it that means it can only clear once the train has cleared the timing section, ergo making A.201s default signal aspect that of being at danger; red. Extra fact (that could be fiction): The policeman in rear of A.201 is there to protect the crossover in advance of OJ.13, from overrun since A.201 does not provide sufficient overlap, for a train travelling at line speed as far as I know For OJ.20, Im not sure, but to prevent reversers from carrying on makes sense. I THINK (although I cannot confirm since I am not in the country right now), the Inner Circle Limit of Shunt is right at OJ.20. Maybe someone can expand on the OJ.20 point?
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Post by zcap on Aug 16, 2017 17:00:12 GMT
100% that the Bakerloo variant of Barman would look good with the Refurbed interiors
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Post by zcap on Aug 12, 2017 21:39:21 GMT
Having ridden only once so far on a refurbed unit (even though I get the Jubilee almost every day), I do like the new feel of the inside. But since the retro feel is in (the original interior and seat moquette was quite retro imo) it wouldve been great though if they just made the interiors orange, wooden floors and used an orange, red and black rectangular seat moquette. Oops. Ok, my point is, I just dont like the current moquette. I think its a bit,well, bland to be fair. Twould be nice if we went back to each stock having its own pattern. Maybe even the current pattern but in grey for the '96 stock. I just feel like, the moquette, whilst relatively new, feels really out of place and old in comparison to the rest of the brand spanking new interior. In contrast, the moquette worked perfectly with the '95 stock post refurb (and still does imo). It just removes from the freshness of the new interiors for the '96 stock I think.
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Post by zcap on Aug 12, 2017 21:06:18 GMT
Hey guys! (Im usure of whether to post this here or in the signals category, since its a bit of both)
According to Harsigs diagram on signalling from HotH to Amersham from 1962, JP13, the wrongway facing shunt signal on the Northbound road at Rickmansworth has an associated repeater signal some distance aft of it, called RJP13 which is also a disc. Does anyone have an image of this or other signals providing the same function? Or did they look the same as shunt discs which permit shunting in a yard when on?
Also, how popular were Shunt disc repeaters? Id have thought their usefulness was fairly limited since movements past shunt discs are cautionary by nature.
Anyway, images ahoy if anyone has any! Thanks in advance (of RJP13)! 😁
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Post by zcap on Aug 10, 2017 22:37:55 GMT
Looks like Harsig beat me to it, but: 2) OJ19 E has speed control. 4) The resignalling caused a number of locking changes and we completely replaced the mechanical locking with new. Not many people know of the trouble getting those tiles... I had to sit in the Courier's depot refusing to leave unless I had them! Waiting for those tiles sounds like it was a mildly stressful affair :') RE: 2) I assume by OJ19 E you mean OJ14 E (sorry if im being silly). That seems quite unusual (and hence even more interesting) to have the inner signal in the sequence speed controlled. Im guessing at 20/25mph. Any clues as to why this is so and not the outer signal(s)? RE: 4) How long did that interlocking change take? It sounds like a fairly daunting task.
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Post by zcap on Aug 10, 2017 21:50:33 GMT
Another Q,(im pushing it I know ), on the Baker Street SCC diagram, what do the outwards pointing transverse arrows near Euston Square represent mean? -Edit- After some thinking (using the term loosely here), I guess they are Limits of Shunt. Is this correct?
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Post by zcap on Aug 10, 2017 19:46:45 GMT
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Post by zcap on Aug 10, 2017 16:40:38 GMT
This is the only one I know, I'm afraid, it was OJ19A. Highly appreciated
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Post by zcap on Aug 10, 2017 16:23:34 GMT
You don't want much do you Haha, I havent asked a question for a while so I thought I'd go all out on this one.
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Post by zcap on Aug 10, 2017 14:53:56 GMT
Hey all Basically, ive been intrigued for a while by the Kings Cross approach on the Inner Circle, especially since my commute takes me over this stretch of track on a daily basis but also because im trying to chronicle the SSL signals and their approximate function before their eventual removal (hence why most of my questions on signalling relate to signals on the SSL). I have a few questions related to the approach: 1) How many home signals does the Inner Circle approach have and how are they numbered (including any repeaters)? 2) Are any of them speed controlled signals and if so which? (Ive always assumed at least the first two signals are speed controlled) 3) Which of the home signals does the Repeater in advance of A210 repeat? 4) How has the removal of the Outer Circle to Inner Circle crossover affected the interlocking of the signals, as in, before the removal of the points, if a train was reversing East to West and a train was approaching along the Inner Circle, where would the train on the Inner Circle have been held? (Also what was the old shunt signals' number?) This is quite detailed, I know, but ive always tried to catch a glimpse of them from my train and note them down and have never quite been able to see them (I think most of them are in the 6ft way), which is a bit of a bummer since especially in the peaks, they really provide a great working example of a long sequence of Multi-Home signals doing their job properly. Any help would be appreciated! (Ps, since the introduction of the new crossover between Euston Square and Kings Cross, I could ask a similar question for trains approaching Kings Cross on the Outer Circle, but i'll refrain from that for now )
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Post by zcap on Aug 4, 2017 12:50:17 GMT
Not a particularly useful point but im just excited at the prospect of seeing 3 Car '73 Stock running up and down the Pic! This years' leaf fall season should be interesting compared to last years particularly flat fall season...
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Post by zcap on Jul 2, 2017 2:54:05 GMT
As far as I am aware, there have only been simple cosmetic and engine changes … like this: What combination of flags need to be raised to achieve that? Lol. In all realness though, what combination of flags are needed to get the C-Stock going at the rate it goes at in game anyway! xD 40mph between starting at OP28 and reaching A218? No way
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Post by zcap on Jun 3, 2017 11:49:23 GMT
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Post by zcap on Jun 3, 2017 3:49:00 GMT
Hey guys! So, on my commutes over the past week, ive noticed that all along the Greenwich line and the North Kent line up to my home station (Woolwich Arsenal), there have been new Class 700 stopping markers (Diamond ALL and RLU/FLU alongside the square S/4/5/6/8/10/12 car stop markers) being placed up and around at appropriate stopping positions at relevant stations. What strikes me as odd about this is, apart from the provisional 2018 timetable which mentions the possibility of running Thameslink trains to Rainham(Kent) via Greenwich, nowhere else is this possibility of running Thameslink services via the Greenwich/NK lines mentioned, except for one line in the Kent Route Study where again, its written in as a vague possibility based on the aforementioned timetable. One gets the feeling that Network Rail are uneasy about having Thameslink running over the Greenwich/NK line. Nontheless, the timetable is provisional and subject to change. Hence, it has piqued my interest exceptionally that the stopping markers have gone up, since that implies Govia are investing in running their units over these lines. So my question is, have Govia been given the go-ahead to have Thameslink services run to Rainham as per their 2018 timetable? If so, why havent they made it public yet? It feels so hush hush. Does anyone know anything more concrete? Thanks
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Post by zcap on Apr 12, 2017 19:32:45 GMT
There's two of them out there now and a third one in the tent at Stratford now. Looks like they're planning to do one every four weeks now Maybe a cheeky question, sorry if it breaks forum rules, and please remove if necessary. Can someone give us the numbers of which unit(s) have been already refurbed?
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Post by zcap on Mar 31, 2017 19:36:24 GMT
I've been wondering for a very long time actually, why have the Northern Line platforms remained open during the period of the works? Switching between the Bakerloo and Northern is hardly fun, youre almost always better off just going to Embankment and switching to the Bakerloo line (I feel awful when I see people with massive luggage get off to switch :/ ). Also, leaving the network via Embankment makes perfect sense too, its not that much further than the "closed" Charing Cross Northern Line exits anyway, and youre saving time actually getting out of the tunnels. Ultimately, to me, it wouldve made sense to have just closed the Northern Line platforms and have trains fast to Embankment/Leicester Square? Or am I missing something massive? Also, one more point, if the platforms are closed for the Night Tube for the reason of the Charing Cross Northern line exits being closed, why do they bother opening them up the platforms at the start of day service at all? Any insight would be appreciated, its genuinely been puzzling me
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