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Post by philthetube on Oct 22, 2020 12:26:51 GMT
Note to mods, wondered if this should be a new thread, please feel free to create if you wish.
If the congestion charge is extended I wonder what would be the effects on public transport, would buses and trains be able to cope, and would fares go up "because the could" as some people would have less options.
There are reasons for and against imposing a congestion charge but I think it should be mileage based and not blanket, and this would probably create more revenue for tfl.
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Post by philthetube on Oct 17, 2020 12:52:13 GMT
Delivery of new trains for the Jubilee Line is scheduled for 2024-29 (page 21) while splitting the Northern Line and transfer of 1996s is scheduled for 2024-28 (page 33). New trains for the Bakerloo Line are scheduled for delivery "late 2020s" (page 19). Sending 1996s to the Northern Line is pretty simple as they're similar to the 1995s so the drivers won't require much stock training (if any). Sending 1996s to the Bakerloo would mean every driver retraining on the stock and by the time they'd finished that it would be time to start retraining for the new "Piccadilly/Bakerloo/Central/W&C" trains. Plus all the additional kit that would have to be installed on stations for in-cab CCTV, refitting trip cocks, etc. that's a lot of expenditure for trains that would only be there for a limited time When training on 95 stock I was told that they are 70% different under the floor, although very similar above. Whether this makes any difference to drivers I dont know, as they would not be electrically coupled during push outs etc there should not be an issue there. I don't think refitting trip cocks is a big issue, it is done occasionally for stock moves currently. Would it be necessary to worry about on train cctv. you could just end up with two blank screens on the train and continue using the current mirrors, monitors. That is not to say they cctv is not desirable.
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Post by philthetube on Oct 3, 2020 20:08:57 GMT
The Bakerloo extension would cost an estimated £2-3bn but is dependent on new trains as there isn't enough 1972 stock to run an extended service. Also if the extension is built I somehow doubt they'll be installing coloured lights and tripcocks so the rest of the Bakerloo would need a signal upgrade. F dosen't have to be, the MET is currently running with transition points at Finchley Rd. and Euston Square, and it sounds as if the point at Moor Park may end up permanent.
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Post by philthetube on Oct 1, 2020 21:46:06 GMT
How about the Cockux for the Picc.
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Post by philthetube on Sept 25, 2020 7:20:44 GMT
Sadly this exchange sums up the funding issues across essential and emergency services in society... Intentional underfunding, results in representatives from equally deserving transport services, squabbling about money... #Divided&Conquered
Yes I don’t find all this helpful. London got Crossrail (after waiting for a few decades), but also runs the oldest trains on the mainland, as well as it’s fair share of older mainline stock, not all of which has replacements in the pipeline. Find me a London or south-east station which has a free car park... Hever and Cowden to name 2, I don't see any relevance to coronavirus in this though.
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Post by philthetube on Sept 22, 2020 16:45:36 GMT
Despite the works extensive works done in the past few years, Concrete cancer has returned to the Uxbridge station roof with a small area fenced off by platform 4. (could be 1) and one or two other areas showing small signs of return.
Dose anyone know if this is just a small area with problems, or if the whole structure has real problems, possibly fatal.
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Post by philthetube on Sept 22, 2020 16:36:50 GMT
as it has now been advised to work from home, and hostelries have to close by 10, probably for an extended period, i wonder if service levels will be reviewed.
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Post by philthetube on Sept 20, 2020 17:48:04 GMT
unfortunately TFL needs politicians to fund them, so no hope of keeping politics out.
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Post by philthetube on Sept 17, 2020 18:53:29 GMT
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Post by philthetube on Sept 15, 2020 10:46:45 GMT
and the single pic does not get into the depot a Uxbridge, but is stabled in the platform.
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Post by philthetube on Sept 13, 2020 22:08:58 GMT
I work at Bank/Monument stations and the numbers have increased. In terms of the Waterloo and City line we still have no official word yet on when it will reopen. Our Area Manager visited us the other day and she said so far everything is rumour and speculation but the one which sounds quite likely is the Waterloo & City being open for peak hours only. Time will tell. We’re definitely getting more tourists and workers back. Reopening the W&C for peak hours only would mean a completely new timetable and roster. Currently there are 26 duties booking on between 04:45 and 17:23 on weekdays and 14 duties between 06:40 and 17:13 on a Saturday. What would M-F 709 duty do (06:33 - 15:00), or 710 (11:42 - 19:31) or 7!! (11:52 - 19:22)? It wouldn't be difficult to sort, a timetable on there is easy to sort and drivers could just sit spare until new duties were agreed.
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Post by philthetube on Sept 12, 2020 14:52:23 GMT
The markets were jittery before covid and are more jittery now, although this has very little to do with covid. I'm due to return to London before the end of the year, possibly in the next week. As someone who is exempt from wearing a face covering for a number of reasons, I'm more nervous after horror stories of how some people not wearing a face covering have been treated by others for not wearing one. I've been travelling on my own for over 12 years and this is the first time I'd say I am genuinely nervous and apprehensive. Assuming that you are unable to wear a face mask, as opposed to being exempt, I would seriously consider using a shield, that is going to give you some level of protection as well as others, and will prevent you being hassled.
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Post by philthetube on Sept 8, 2020 20:35:28 GMT
I now they have been briefly mentioned but class 20's have done quite a lot of work moving the S stock around.
I am surprised that no pics of the underground liveried 20 have appeared on this thread.
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Post by philthetube on Aug 22, 2020 9:28:07 GMT
I think that is a definite as platform heights are being changed and the tube stock will not be compatible.
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Post by philthetube on Aug 20, 2020 15:53:52 GMT
It’s not the driving brigade that need tackling, but the work from home/shop online brigade. If they don’t return, then the base of demand and fares will stay permanently lower. I think working from home will go as quickly as it came. There’s only so many times people will get caught out answering the phone with beach noises in the background! When the current fear factor has gone, which one way or it other it will have to, I think many elements of normality will recover quicker than people think. Just that we won’t then be able to afford things like Holborn congestion relief! If you can do the job as efficiently from the beach then why not, however most people working from home need desktop and everything that goes with it so not an option for many .
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Post by philthetube on Aug 16, 2020 18:57:59 GMT
I would have thought they would have donr that already, it does not have to be done in the valleys, and would take forever on a short line
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Post by philthetube on Aug 16, 2020 8:06:50 GMT
The thing that confused me is the 3 year freeze on recruitment, vacancies to be filled by secondments.
Effectively this means a 10%* cut in staff which overall may be possible, I don't know, however, if you second staff to jobs at the bottom end of the pay scale then you end up overpaying and if you second to train staff that is a lot of training for potentially little time on the front.
There is no real scope to reduce train staff numbers without cutting services and the same with section 12, (underground) stations which all have a legally mandated minimum staff level, although it might be possible to destaff open section ones.
*Assuming average career on the underground is 30 years, which I suspect is pretty close, certainly on the trains side.
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Post by philthetube on Aug 15, 2020 18:36:19 GMT
I doubt if Hainault - Woodford will be closed, too many TfL executives living in Chigwell Someone claims to have seen a document from KPMG who were given the task of reviewing TfL's operations by the Transport Secretary Suggestions include... . Tube services to be cut by up to 20% (line dependant) . Some central and urban stations to close early and open later. . Nominee passes which have been dormant for 12 months will be stopped. . A 3 year pause on recruitment. Positions to be filled by secondments. . Possibility of bringing back remote booking at certain locations. . All staff to have a yearly review with senior management on their attendance. . Long term sicknesses to be dealt with with much harsher measures. . Annual leave entitlement and arrangements across TfL to be rearranged. . Duty times to change in some locations dependent on feasibility to avoid staff taxis being used. . All lines to be fully automated by 2035 upon which driverless technology will be looked at. Sounds like another "Beeching" where they are asking people who can read a spreadsheet but with no transport experience for advice on how to run a railway. What surprises me it the things which are not there, but am not going to list those. Some of the items seem to be pennies, what do you save by withdrawing unused nominee passes?
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Post by philthetube on Aug 15, 2020 4:16:40 GMT
I think the reference to ventilation was referring to the staff breathing the same air with it not often refreshed.
Part solution for training would be to adapt some stock, maybe remove the J door all together and sort out the interior lighting to allow an instructor to sit in the saloon behind the driver at a suitable distance. this would allow social distancing while learning the road, but would not help with door operation etc.
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Post by philthetube on Aug 7, 2020 16:15:16 GMT
His article doesn't mention the runaway on the W&C in BR days when they ran a single car train in the off-peak. One was brought into service, the brake didn't work at Waterloo, the train continued down the slope, up the other side, then back and forth until it eventually came to a stand in the bottom of the tunnel. The brake rigging had been disconnected for repairs and had not been reconnected but was allowed back into service. After that they stopped using single car trains. I believe the driver was Bill Stone. Sorry, this is going to seem a really stupid question to those who already know, but, if there was a driver on board, why could he not have used the motors against the direction of travel? I would imagine this would destroy the moving parts on the train, though someone else will be able to answer better than me, imagine banging a car in reverse to stop it rolling forwards, there would be bits of metal everywhere. Nobody would be 100% sure of the result of trying this. Once it was decided that there was no imminent danger then the sensible thing to do would be to wait.
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Post by philthetube on Aug 6, 2020 1:19:53 GMT
with older stock, none still around, the brakes would leak off over time when stabled, so if left on a slope would run away.
This was mitigated against bynusing scotch blocks and/or rail anchors, A scotch block was a wooden chock placed under the wheels and a rail anchor clamped to the track and attached to the front of the train.
I will be surprised if someone does not produce a pic shortly.
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Post by philthetube on Aug 6, 2020 1:00:16 GMT
Still don’t have any real love for the S stock. I loved the A stock and still miss them. The capacity was an issue though and they just couldn’t cope with modern passenger loads. They did very well to make it to 50 years and it was a credit to all involved. The saddest thing is that none have remained in working order. The S stock do a job though but seem awfully slow (the reduced fast trains don’t help) they are fit for purpose. Unsurprisingly I love the 1972 stock and will always try and get one given the option! They will hopefully go on longer and do a pretty good job on a relatively simple line. They are not slow, they just feel it because the ride is so much better, They are quicker than either A stock or turbos climbing up to Amersham.
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Post by philthetube on Aug 2, 2020 7:25:11 GMT
I would guess that two thirds of drivers on the MET drove A Stock, people don't retire from train driving as a rule, though there is the odd promotion. The MET is a senior line and very few drivers move on from there, I suspect that the pic is the most junior
It would be interesting to know what the average length of service on the underground is, I would not be surprised if it is not something like 30 years for normals, that is not high up managers who come and go.
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Post by philthetube on Aug 1, 2020 21:14:17 GMT
you would be hard pressed on the MET to find drivers who want to return to A stock.
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Post by philthetube on Jul 28, 2020 16:34:15 GMT
Your last issue would almost certainly have been down to the driver losing the pilot light, (door closed visual)
Procedure following this is to stop, make a PA asking that if there is an issue, anyone seen a door open of someone falling out for a passenger to operate a pass alarm.
If no response then to carry on, if a pass alarm then to investigate further and do what is needed.
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Post by philthetube on Jul 24, 2020 11:41:45 GMT
we don't know the location, it could be mirrors
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Post by philthetube on Jul 14, 2020 13:36:00 GMT
Arms waved above the head is an emergency stop signal, the driver should not have moved' Had there been a person on the train I would have expected the member of station staff to take further action to prevent the train moving, probably using the Butterfly cocks, or whatever they are called now, to open a set of doors and prevent the train moving. if the driver was relying on mirrors to see the station staff it is possible that the first member of staff obstructed views of the second. Operating a "manual door valve" (I think that's its official title) is not an approved method of stopping a train from moving. The member of station staff did the right thing by waving their arms above their head, it doesn't matter what the other member of staff was doing, if both aren't indicating that its safe to proceed the driver should not move the train. 100% driver error 100% agree, however in an extreme emergency , someone trapped by coat etc., I would have no hesitation in doing it.
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Post by philthetube on Jul 13, 2020 21:24:25 GMT
Arms waved above the head is an emergency stop signal, the driver should not have moved'
Had there been a person on the train I would have expected the member of station staff to take further action to prevent the train moving, probably using the Butterfly cocks, or whatever they are called now, to open a set of doors and prevent the train moving.
if the driver was relying on mirrors to see the station staff it is possible that the first member of staff obstructed views of the second.
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Post by philthetube on Jul 13, 2020 14:04:38 GMT
Are there any unstaffed trains anywhere running underground without a walkway in the tunnel?
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Post by philthetube on Jul 10, 2020 16:47:01 GMT
Thanks, I picked up some wrong info somewhere, I was sure that they were moving to something solid state, I had heard that one of the advantages of the new system was reduced maintenance due to no moving parts to maintain, this must have only applied to the rest of SSR.
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