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Post by metman on Nov 11, 2023 20:02:21 GMT
I didn’t think either ‘depot’ had decent road access. Queens Park is marooned between a host of railway lines and London Road is in a hole in the ground!
I expect trying to provide heavy road access would not be straightforward unless anyone with more local knowledge knows better?
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Post by metman on Nov 4, 2023 11:57:16 GMT
Did there used to be Bounds Green terminators years ago?
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Post by metman on Nov 1, 2023 22:37:25 GMT
I doubt there would be much of a market for gate stock to make it worth the expense of production.
I expect we may see 2024 stock in the future if it is rolled out over several lines but it would be a real challenge to build in 4mm scale especially with the cantilevers.
My bet would be 1967/72 stock for tube trains and perhaps bogie stock for the sub surface trains.
We might see Dreadnoughts but I wonder if a stock that is still used at events might take priority?
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Post by metman on Oct 26, 2023 21:41:56 GMT
The Harrow-on-the-Hill screens are very ordinary and that is being polite. I was sad when the old light boxes were replaced but hoped for a better solution. I’m not we got one.
Baker Street has always felt like a mainline station, I can’t think of any other underground station like it.
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Post by metman on Oct 19, 2023 12:04:08 GMT
Whilst that would certainly be the case, this stabling location is quite out of the way and exposed to abuse I would feel.
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Post by metman on Oct 12, 2023 18:24:07 GMT
I’m surprised the compressors were kept I thought the 1972 mk1 stock had different compressors to the Mk2s. All of the Reavell TBC38Z were replaced recently on the converted mk 1 cars recently for spare Westinghouse 3HC43 I assume from D stock?
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Post by metman on Oct 8, 2023 9:42:34 GMT
The siding area is quite tight at Wealdstone. I believe both sidings were accessed via a double slip. This isn’t particularly flexible (compared with somewhere like Amersham where you can in theory have simultaneous movements) and a complicated piece of kit. How many double slips are left on the network? I know there are two single slips at Aldgate.
I don’t know if there would be another way of getting the second siding back in considering the new trains will be longer?
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Post by metman on Sept 24, 2023 7:44:59 GMT
The train would have to tip out passengers/customers at Farringdon and run empty to reverse at Moorgate. This of course is unlikely unless there were issues which prevented Barbican and Moorgate from opening.
Is the (in platform) crossover still at Farringdon or has this been removed? It’s too short for S8 and probably S7s as well?
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Post by metman on Sept 22, 2023 5:19:52 GMT
Some people might see a solution in stopping Overground trains at Queens Park or Willesden Junction (bay platform) and the rest of the route to Watford being solely for Bakerloo line trains. This would have (possibly expensive?) fleet requirement implications. I do NOT favour this - I see passenger-attracting benefits in as many 'one-seat' direct through services as possible, but I am alarmed that some deskbound pen-pushers would grab (with both hands) the possibility of forcing the end of this route as a jointly operated service. There was a lot of noise around extending the Bakerloo to Watford Junction years back but for operational success planners like to keep the routes as short as possible for reliability sake. At one time in the early 2000s there was a plan to use retired 1967 tube stock in 6 car formations on the Watford-Euston line to displace the class 313/508 Silverlink/Overground trains. Now that would have been interesting…
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Post by metman on Sept 20, 2023 17:58:47 GMT
I believe one of the old tunnels north of Drayton Park might have been accessible in the past from Finsbury Park not sure if that is still the case.
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Post by metman on Sept 20, 2023 17:53:40 GMT
The 1996ts trains were also 6-car when first introduced but all platform works were for longer 7 car trains as it was always planned to add an extra car to each train. With hindsight, 8 car trains may have been better, but I'm not sure if the 1939 platforms are long enough for 8 car trains. I believe the 1930s extension platforms were designed to accommodate 8 car trains. Of course those were 8 cars of pre-1938/1938 stock not the longer 1996 stock used today.
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Post by metman on Sept 20, 2023 17:48:10 GMT
Good question. Hard to say really but if that was the case the management couldn’t really afford to close the line!
I think the Overground service solely working north of Queens Park would be a return to the dark ages! I can’t see there being sufficient resources available to meet demand on the line now and I’d question if there is enough capacity at Euston for a more frequent service?
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Post by metman on Sept 18, 2023 14:06:22 GMT
I take preservation with a pinch of salt! All sorts tends to happen, having said that the ladies only Compartments were usually next to the driver or guard on the MET stock.
Interestingly, this driving trailer was a Neasden built coach. You can tell that by the way the top beading line follows the curves over the door top. The Cravens and Ashbury cars didn’t have this feature.
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Post by metman on Sept 17, 2023 18:28:30 GMT
In electric days that compartment was for the guard but as you’re modelling the 1950s I think you’re correct about the ‘ladies only’ tag which was the case on the steam stock and T stock.
I have seen photos of the same coach with different positions of ‘no smoking’ and different types too.
I think the middle two compartments on the old composites were non smoking.
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Post by metman on Sept 17, 2023 11:49:04 GMT
That’s more or less it. The when the sets were converted in 1940 there was till a requirement for first class accommodation on the main line until 1941.
The two driving trailers were 7 compartment thirds (one has been converted back at Bluebell Railway) and the two brakes were former British Westinghouse equipped driving motor cars. I don’t know if they retained driving facilities like the driving trailers? I think these cars only had 4 compartments (3 in electric days when the guard used the last passenger compartment!).
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Post by metman on Sept 16, 2023 14:11:05 GMT
Does look good!
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Post by metman on Sept 15, 2023 9:25:12 GMT
Both, steam to Rickmansworth and then Electric Loco to Neasden.
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Post by metman on Sept 15, 2023 7:54:24 GMT
The Chesham set was taken to and from Neasden by Met Electrics to Rickmansworth and then by steam onwards in the same way the other steam stock was operated.
Regarding the Bogie stock in electric days, there were three types of formation:
W stock - MW motors with Bogie stock trailers usually 8 cars N stock - 2x All bogie stock in 6-4 car formations with driving motor at each end M stock - 2x All bogie stock in 8 car formations with driving motor at each end.
There were only 8 driving motors and 6 driving trailers. The 6 driving trailers allowed the W stock to work half trains.
The M and N stock worked until WW2 with the Stanmore shuttle being the last bastion of service.
The last W stock train ran in 1942.
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Post by metman on Sept 12, 2023 19:56:07 GMT
I was planning to do a four car electric set (and already have the 28.5mm motors for it and my 1905 saloon stock set too.
They are a good price which is why I decided to pack up the idea of finishing the late Phil Radley’s plan.
Re the Chesham set they were painted in brown not long before withdrawal but we’re in teak (or faux teak) until the late 1950s.
I know the dreadnoughts were painted in a teak colour early in the LPTB era but I wonder if the Chesham set was looked after better as they were a bit different? Colour photos seem to show real teak right up to the re paint in brown.
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Post by metman on Sept 4, 2023 20:56:26 GMT
I believe the old Bakerloo Line trains have a heavy maintenance schedule. How long could they operate if the depot building was closed for a period for rebuild? Has anyone details of shed day routine for the 36 trains? Not easy to transfer them to another line's depot for maintenance as an alternative! I have seen trains at Neasden before but I can’t imagine there is much capacity left there and the journey over all the ATO lines must be complex. Are the 1972 stock really struggling that badly? I expected them to run into the 2030s (perhaps hopefully).
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Post by metman on Aug 29, 2023 19:48:27 GMT
I’ve stopped working on it now. A 3D kit has been announced by CDC design (Charlie Connor) so I’m not going to bother.
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Post by metman on Aug 24, 2023 19:23:57 GMT
Thanks for posting these. I forgot they also received the revised windscreens like the Mark 2s.
The charcoal grab rails were complemented by having a charcoal )))))) pattern on the lower interior panels where the transverse seat bays are. These are brown on the mark 2 stock but the mark 1s on the Bakerloo retain the original ones albeit with brown grab rails.
The moquette was designed for the Northern line and was rolled out to quite a few of the 1959 stock operating at the time too. Looked quite smart- and probably looked better on the 59 stock!
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Post by metman on Aug 4, 2023 13:35:07 GMT
They look nice, but at £115 for just a body, chassis and bogies without wheels it makes a 4 car unit very expensive - £550??
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Post by metman on Jul 7, 2023 19:13:48 GMT
I thought the old DVA was knackered! It was faded and unclear so this might be an improvement of sorts!
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Post by metman on Jul 7, 2023 6:08:08 GMT
I thought the glazing piece remained the same but the inner face was painted grey on the inside where the desk was mounted.
There was an experiment done at one stage where black was used for this panel and this blended in even better than the grey used in refurbishment.
I still miss these trains and the character they had.
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Post by metman on Jun 27, 2023 20:49:28 GMT
The usual negativity from the Evening Standard.
The signalling is an issue though. One wonders how any improvements are going to transpire apart from the additional capacity the new trains deliver.
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Post by metman on Jun 27, 2023 20:41:21 GMT
That’s a good point. Let’s wait and see how it goes I guess.
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Post by metman on Jun 21, 2023 18:47:15 GMT
My office is close to Harrow and Wealdstone and I regularly see 4 car 710s, 5 car 710s and 5 car 378s! It’s certainly good variety.
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Post by metman on May 23, 2023 18:32:43 GMT
Yes three complete 1972mk1 trains were fully refurbished but as you say they remained crew operated. I don’t recall seeing them at the time but I assume the same guards panels were retained perhaps with a colour change to match the other interior panels.
I’ve never seen a photo of the guards position post refurb but if anyone has one (or a link to one) I’m sure many people would be interested to see.
Of course the 3 units didn’t last long on the Northern being converted to one person operation (OPO) and sent to the Bakerloo either as complete trains or as individual cars to replace damaged Mk2 cars.
There was another Mk1 train 3202-3505? Which was painted in the new corporate livery but received no refurb and remained on the Northern until the end. Some of it lingered at Acton Works as a body spare until it was scrapped to make way of the building work.
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Post by metman on May 17, 2023 21:21:58 GMT
I think Piccadilly trains started to regularly reverse at Rayners Lane off peak from 1966.
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