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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2006 14:47:15 GMT
They stick out that much? As for your question regarding opening the doors if they fail, have a manual lever beside the door frame. This will push the doors out and then they can be hand opened. Only problem is, there might not be enough space on the tube lines. Anyway, if that don't work, then have the side window glass designed to powderise when hit hard so that becomes an emergency exit (the new buses in Sydney have them). There will be a hammer of sorts for the smashing part. Though this could run into problems if vandals smashed them on a regular basis. Just my ideas.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 30, 2006 16:05:59 GMT
AIUI the window hammers on many London suburban services have been removed due to excessive vandalism. You are also turning a train with one defect into a train with a defect and two or more broken windows. Quite apart from the added expense of the special glass it will require more staff time and therefore expense to fix.
On another point, sliding doors are less well sealed than plug doors allowing more airflow - much better on a hot tube
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2006 3:48:44 GMT
However, you must consider the possibility of air-conditioned trains which need better sealing or you will end spending more on the air-con.
Plug-doors also make the train more streamlined, thus the air flows more easily past the train.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2006 6:47:24 GMT
Plug doors are just not practical.
What if people needed to escape in a hurry and the door was half & Half in a station, sure they could pull the lever but then the door won't open because they are stuck in a tunnel...
Not only that but i bet with plug doors some drunk will think it's funny to release the door whilst travelling on the reverse curves of South Kensington, and as a result probably wreck a good abount of a carriage. See what i am getting at?
And also Air Con isn't happening on the next generation of SSL & Tube Stocks, because it isn't practical either. AFAIK the '09TS will have a pressure ventilation system but it will not be Air Conditioning. I am sure that Prjb knows far more than i on the new 'S' stock.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2006 8:04:06 GMT
Ok, ok, I give in. Still, systems like Sydney (where I used to live) have already moved on to plug doors, just to let you know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2006 10:52:38 GMT
Anyone who thinks that air-con would be a good idea, should use the NYC subway on a hot day. The trains are kept cool, but as the air-con exhausts into the tunnel and station platforms, then the station platforms can be terribly hot (circa 35-40C). As it's not uncommon to wait 10mins for a train on the NYC subway, then waiting on hot platforms is not fun!
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Post by Colin on Jul 1, 2006 10:55:21 GMT
And also Air Con isn't happening on the next generation of SSL & Tube Stocks, because it isn't practical either. Actually S stock will have air conditioning of some sort - with the expelled heat being dumped in tunnels and platforms!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2006 13:44:12 GMT
Oh dear. still, the part about hot platforms can be solved mate, just that it's going to cost a bomb. Install screen doors.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2006 14:16:45 GMT
Oh dear. still, the part about hot platforms can be solved mate, just that it's going to cost a bomb. Install screen doors. Screen doors arn't suitable for many LU stations, as the platforms can sometimes be heavily curved and/or on a steep gradient. Also money is a big problem!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2006 15:36:37 GMT
Yes, but you still got to accept the fact that eventually, the trains will have to be cooled both to make the Tube a world class system and global warming means soon it's going to be too hot to have non-air-con trains.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2006 16:04:22 GMT
Yes, but you still got to accept the fact that eventually, the trains will have to be cooled both to make the Tube a world class system and global warming means soon it's going to be too hot to have non-air-con trains. Actually if global warming continues, London is most likely to become colder.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2006 8:19:36 GMT
Oh . But still the air will have to be conditioned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2006 12:49:38 GMT
will the trains also have opening windows? Travelling A stock the other day, they were a godsend! What if the aircon fails? will the train be taken out of service??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2006 17:41:52 GMT
Yes, but you still got to accept the fact that eventually, the trains will have to be cooled both to make the Tube a world class system and global warming means soon it's going to be too hot to have non-air-con trains. Actually if global warming continues, London is most likely to become colder. If it doesn't sink under the sea, that is...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2006 19:50:54 GMT
Actually if global warming continues, London is most likely to become colder. If it doesn't sink under the sea, that is... Well with rising sea levels, flooding is a major issue in the future. Lets hope that the second Thames barrier gets built, otherwise the tube will only be useful to fish.
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Post by Ben on Jul 5, 2006 11:37:19 GMT
Well if only fish are going to be using it then the lack of seats wont be a problem ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2006 13:35:28 GMT
Some sort of easily identifiable thing on the outside of the train to tell you what line it's for [now that they're all going to be the same shape]. What about a strip of lights along the side of the cars? Green, Pink, Yellow and Purple strip lighting, so you can just turn on the one you want for the line the train is running on? Or are we going to have to rely on the platform describers [like the oh-so-reliable Whitechapel ones, or worse Earls Court?]
Also, could the new trains be a bit more tourist friendly? The Barcelona metro astounded me because it had all the signs in Spanish, German, French and English. Admittedly there's a wider variety of visitors to London but some of the nearby European languages would at least make it a bit easier, even if it is things like 'stand clear of the doors', 'no smoking' etc.
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Post by Chris M on Jul 7, 2006 15:02:12 GMT
Mutli-lingual signs are a good idea. Space will mean you can't inlcude every single language that would be useful though. The tube map is available on the TfL site in: Arabic, Bengali, Chinese, Greek, Gujarati, French, Hindi, Punajbi, Spanish, Turkish, Urdu and Vietnamese. Presumably this choice of languages is not arbitrary?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2006 16:20:45 GMT
The S stock will probably have DMIs on the car sides to tell passengers where it is going, as is found on the refurbished D-stock.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2006 20:57:03 GMT
The D stock refurb DMIs on the side alternate between "District Line" and the destination. At the moment, a little pointless (if it's a D stock it has to be District) but presumably this is a feature that will be used on the S stock.
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Post by mandgc on Jul 8, 2006 0:54:08 GMT
Multi Lingual Tube Maps. (Reply # 173)
Do these People have access to a handy Computor when they have a Problem on the Tube ? :-)
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Post by Chris M on Jul 8, 2006 1:22:06 GMT
I think the idea is that you print it out and bring it with you. Are multi-lingual four-fold dead-tree pocket maps available en français et al at all?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2006 23:39:26 GMT
The D stock refurb DMIs on the side alternate between "District Line" and the destination. At the moment, a little pointless (if it's a D stock it has to be District) but presumably this is a feature that will be used on the S stock. Probably, because it will be a generic stock with all SSLs having the same trains, that will then come in quite handy, as that will be your way of identifying what line the train is running on......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2006 15:30:57 GMT
to be really OTT they could have the dots colloured for each line. We have a dot matrix display at school and it can display nearly every colour. Definitely something that would be useful.
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Post by prjb on Jul 10, 2006 17:54:56 GMT
As 'S' is still early on in the design the decision on types of display and format is still being heavily debated. BT should be producing the first design book for 'S' soon, when it arrives i will try to get authority to post some more images.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2006 2:09:36 GMT
Why not just be simple and put some great big bright LEDs around the door edges and cab destination indicators?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2006 14:29:55 GMT
disco lights!
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Post by Ben on Jul 12, 2006 17:45:18 GMT
Dunno if it was mentioned already but Harrow Transport Association (or something similar) have started a campaign for saving the seats on the 's' stock destined for the met main line service. Its called 'SOS'....Save Our Seats....
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Post by yellowsignal on Jul 12, 2006 19:32:54 GMT
Yes, but you still got to accept the fact that eventually, the trains will have to be cooled both to make the Tube a world class system and global warming means soon it's going to be too hot to have non-air-con trains. I think the solution is in cooling the air in the tunnels rather than in the trains.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2006 21:38:53 GMT
I think the solution is in cooling the air in the tunnels rather than in the trains. Possibly on the deep tube lines, but not on SSR.
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