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Post by trc666 on May 5, 2007 22:10:19 GMT
Are the two vehicles right at the end of 39RD in the shed? I could see an odd-looking unit from a distance from a footbridge just by the depot approach. Tried getting a photo of it but even 10x zoom was not enough, I'll supply the picture anyway as soon as I can find my USB cable to upload it with.
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Post by prjb on May 6, 2007 10:19:13 GMT
I personally have no knowledge of where the units are being kept in NPD, I haven't been anywhere near the 09 cars in London. I'm sure someone here knows where they are being stored.
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Post by tubeprune on May 6, 2007 13:32:54 GMT
I personally have no knowledge of where the units are being kept in NPD, I haven't been anywhere near the 09 cars in London. I'm sure someone here knows where they are being stored. 39RD is the planned location. |
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Post by subwayrail on May 6, 2007 16:38:08 GMT
39 road it is. I had my first look at the real thing today, and spent a good while in the cab. I got some photos which I'll post when I have time, but they were taken with my mobile phone, so don't expect spectacular quality.
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Post by trc666 on May 6, 2007 19:19:21 GMT
Do you have any idea when the next lot are due?
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Post by subwayrail on May 7, 2007 23:44:27 GMT
I've posted my pictures on my Fotopic site. Like I said before, they were all taken with my mobile phone, so the quality is rather low. tubeworker.fotopic.net/ |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2007 1:29:08 GMT
Very good pics Subwayrail, I did notice one thing though: On the nearside console, I see that the nearside door controls are quite high up compared with the rest of it. Is this quite a stretch in reality, or is it as easy as operating the (lower) offside doors?
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Post by Colin on May 8, 2007 2:12:32 GMT
And that's where you start to think some of it hasn't been that well thought out.............along with the tacky cup holder (which looks like it won't last five minutes). That sun visor's another one - what's that all about? I know they won't be in the open that much, but talk about "that'll do, that's another box ticked"  I'm sure that the current drivers of the 67's will see this stock as a massive improvement over their current lot - but I hope the S stock will have higher standards!!  ;D ;D EDIT: interesting looking TBC by the way.........not sure what I make of that  |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2007 6:13:56 GMT
EDIT: interesting looking TBC by the way.........not sure what I make of that It probably is quite comfortable to use and is very similar to those on newer NR trains, as the depth is quite short, therefore probably very sensitive. |
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Post by tubeprune on May 8, 2007 8:01:11 GMT
Thank you for the photos subwayrail. Very interesting and useful. If you get a chance to get some pix of the non driving ends, jumpers, UNDM ends etc. it would be interesting to see how they finally decided to couple them. I understand there is a "muff coupler" between the UNDMs, but I've never seen one except in a drawing.
I think the panel marked "Adtranz" is the Mitrac diagnostics screen. It is the train control management system. It seems strange that the "Adtranz" name still appears 5 years after Bombardier took them over.
I wonder what some of the buttons will do, for example, "Not in Service"?
Also, they have fitted a Wedgelock coupler with steps, so it seems as if they want drivers to be able to get in the front door.
And I agree about the cup holder. It does look rather frail.
Finally, I wonder if the right hand driving position will affect signal sighting, especially if they decide to take the train somewhere other than the Vic Line for testing. After all, they must have fitted a tripcock for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2007 8:13:29 GMT
I wonder what some of the buttons will do, for example, "Not in Service"? IIRC on other stock thats a quick way to display not in service on both ends of the train and also on the DMI on the inside. And I agree about the cup holder. It does look rather frail. Youd think the side of the desk would br moulded for a cup, but then again i suppose it would have to fold for the M door to open? Finally, I wonder if the right hand driving position will affect signal sighting, especially if they decide to take the train somewhere other than the Vic Line for testing. After all, they must have fitted a tripcock for some reason. I thought that about the tripcock. Maybe it will have to two up front when it goes off the Vic? |
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Post by Oracle on May 8, 2007 9:07:43 GMT
Excuse my ignorance but isn't the new stock too large to come off the Vic, i.e. onto the Picc unless they road them away a la W & C? I am sure that the size issue was disccused previously.
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Post by subwayrail on May 8, 2007 9:17:39 GMT
On the nearside console, I see that the nearside door controls are quite high up compared with the rest of it. Is this quite a stretch in reality, or is it as easy as operating the (lower) offside doors? I didn’t push any buttons, and won’t until I’m suitably instructed! Perhaps their position is a compromise in terms of operation between the standing and seated position. And that's where you start to think some of it hasn't been that well thought out.............along with the tacky cup holder (which looks like it won't last five minutes). It didn’t – there is supposed to be a small fold-out bottom shelf, but it fell off. Fortunately those thoughtful people in Derby saw fit to put another one on the offside. And That sun visor's another one - what's that all about? I know they won't be in the open that much, but talk about "that'll do, that's another box ticked" The 67s have a sun blind which covers most of the driver’s side windscreen… And I'm sure that the current drivers of the 67's will see this stock as a massive improvement over their current lot - but I hope the S stock will have higher standards!! ;D ;D The 67s are showing their age (which is the same as mine). Do bear in mind that this is still not the finished product and there is still time to modify the features for the production models. My overall impression is that I quite like it. If you get a chance to get some pix of the non driving ends, jumpers, UNDM ends etc. it would be interesting to see how they finally decided to couple them. I understand there is a "muff coupler" between the UNDMs, but I've never seen one except in a drawing. I’ll see what I can do, but it might be a long time. Being in the right place at the right time etc. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2007 10:18:54 GMT
I'd like to AOL the previous posts about the tripcocks - why bother fitting it to a unit that won't fit in the Picc tunnels? All I can figure is that this unit will be carted away from NPD via road at some point and deposited on the test track.
I am also very curious about the button-style deadman- I can see a lot of duck tape appearing to ease the pressure on the driver's thumb if the button's spring is too strong.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2007 10:22:06 GMT
I am also very curious about the button-style deadman- I can see a lot of duck tape appearing to ease the pressure on the driver's thumb if the button's spring is too strong. But how often will the TBC actually be used? Who says the button is the deadman? You may have to swivel it round and push it down into the console. The button could be used to allow you to go from a brake position to either off and release or a power notch |
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Post by compsci on May 8, 2007 11:12:30 GMT
The driver's seat looks like it will resemble an armchair when folded out. The TBC looks like some sort of weapon.
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Post by Oracle on May 8, 2007 11:32:46 GMT
You have all heard of the Nintendo Generation, well now the TBC has been designed specifically for them. Clearly apart from being used to drive the train, it can be used by the T/op to do computer games during layovers, and also activate new anti-chav weapons.
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Post by compsci on May 8, 2007 12:02:49 GMT
I wouldn't expect Chavs throwing stones to be an especially common occurence on the Victoria Line.
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Post by Oracle on May 8, 2007 14:03:56 GMT
Perhaps they'll throw beer cans at the new trains?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2007 14:14:38 GMT
Great pics, subwayrail. Will the driver actually be able to see out past all that equipment right in front of him?!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2007 14:16:35 GMT
I wonder what some of the buttons will do, for example, "Not in Service"? If it's like the "Not In Service" button on the D stock refurbs, it will just change all the displays on the outside of the train to Not In Service instead of showing a destination. |
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Post by tubeprune on May 8, 2007 15:07:24 GMT
Thanks for info on "Not in Service". I know there were plans for one of the two "pre-production" 09TS trains to be run off the Victoria Line. That's why the tripcocks were fitted. It is not planned to fit them on the production trains. The pre-production trains will go back to Derby for "refreshing" to production standard.
As for running them on other tube lines, it was never the intention that they would transfer via the Picc. There was much ranting about the price of maintaining the xovers at Finsbury Park for stock moves which are now very rare. I have no idea what the current status of the proposal to remove them is. Can anyone update us?
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Post by Oracle on May 8, 2007 15:11:08 GMT
TP, as with the removal of the North Acton #-over, if you take the Finsbury Park #-overs out there may be regrets later! Presumably they still afford rail access for engineering trains although I can imagine that the line might in due course have its dedicated stock delivered by road.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2007 15:22:12 GMT
the awful 09's are here watch tonight's bbc london news to find out more guys!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2007 21:18:19 GMT
the awful 09's are here watch tonight's bbc london news to find out more guys! What makes you call them awful? Please justify your comments. I can't see anything awful about better air cooling, better performance (and thus more line capacity), and roomier interior. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2007 22:49:16 GMT
the awful 09's are here watch tonight's bbc london news to find out more guys! I didnt see them? |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2007 15:36:50 GMT
To be honest I'd have to have a ride on an 09 to see if it is any good or not - my feeling is that they will be faster and that is a good thing (looks at mighty 1992 stock)!
I do like the front end design, but not so sure on the window arrangements - mind you the Vic isn't the most scenic line anyway....................
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2007 18:11:26 GMT
i am sore most of the vic line drivers will also think their tat well i know i would
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Post by subwayrail on May 10, 2007 21:21:47 GMT
i am sore most of the vic line drivers will also think their tat well i know i would I will reserve my final judgment until such time as I get to take one out on the line. However, they do appear to be a marked improvement over the 67s, at least for the drivers. Passengers will have to get used to harder seats, no footrests transverse seating and a worse view of the tunnel wall, but if the 09s and the VLU in general manage to provide the promised service improvements then these trade-offs will be worth it. I appreciate that is a very big " if." Why have you chosen to describe them as tat? |
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