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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2005 17:58:13 GMT
Due to the ever increasing numbers of passenger traffic, will it become more feasible for Piccadilly Line trains to call at Turnham Green or would this move increase delays?
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Post by ikar on Aug 23, 2005 19:28:30 GMT
The official TFL map says "Served by Piccadilly line trains early morning and late evening"
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Post by Tomcakes on Aug 23, 2005 19:35:47 GMT
There's a campaign somewhere about getting more trains to stop at TG. I think the official LU line is that it would delay the service too much (and TBH detract from the "fast" tag of the Picc over this section).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2005 20:07:01 GMT
I thought that might be the case.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2005 20:08:51 GMT
I thought that might be the case. Aye, there isnt the *need* to stop trains all day as there is a perfectly adequate District service. If the Green railway is in the poo, the picc can still stop if need be. Thats the easier way to use this station
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Post by ejitrafik on Aug 23, 2005 21:04:14 GMT
Why don't Piccadillie line trains stop at Ravenscourt Park?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2005 21:30:36 GMT
I take your point ilt, I suppose traveling to and from Picc stations in central London to Richmond, I see Turnham Green an ideal station to change trains at.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2005 21:36:19 GMT
I take your point ilt, I suppose traveling to and from Picc stations in central London to Richmond, I see Turnham Geen an ideal station to change trains at. South Ken, Gloucester Rd, Earls Court, Barons Crt & Hammersmith are all just as nice to change trains, particually Hammersmith. There is logic behind reason!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2005 21:49:15 GMT
I hardly think South Ken, Gloucester Rd and Earls Court stations are nice interchanges with the Picc, unless you have plenty of time and need the exercise.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2005 22:04:09 GMT
I hardly think South Ken, Gloucester Rd and Earls Court stations are nice interchanges with the Picc, unless you have plenty of time and need the exercise. OK, Turnham Green is easy as it is a cross platform interchange. However so is Hammersmith and Barons Court. Sth Ken, Gloucester rd & Earls Court are not so easy, however you can still change there. Having all of the above interchanges, there is not a need to stop all Picc Trains at Turnham Green during the day.
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Post by Colin on Aug 24, 2005 1:43:25 GMT
Why don't Piccadillie line trains stop at Ravenscourt Park? For all the reasons stated above, plus it's not a busy station - even in the peak.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2005 9:04:39 GMT
The argument used by most of the people hollering about a Picc service at Turnham Green is that Barons Court, right next to Hammersmith and only a minute away on either line, has a Picc service and may not necessarily need one. They feel that the stop at Barons Court should be withdrawn and substituted by a stop at Turnham Green, to maintain overall journey times.
The biggest showstopper here is the signalling at Barons Court - fixing that would cost a lot of money, money that would not likely be recouped from the TG farebox.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2005 15:59:41 GMT
Why don't Piccadillie line trains stop at Ravenscourt Park? They can, but rarely do. I've known a Picc train to stop and open the doors at Ravenscourt Park when the Picc is completely up the wall, so the passengers can transfer to the District.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2005 21:58:56 GMT
Met Line trains used to stop at Neasden and Willesden Green very early in the morning years ago - until the late 1980s IIRC. A change of policy that LUL got away with at those locations. The 'good' folk of Turnham Green are clearly a LOT MORE VOCAL when it comes opposing withdrawals of service!
IMHO there is no need for Picc trains to stop at Turnham Green at all - except possibly when there are problems on the District. The cross-platform interchange at Hammersmith does the business, and the District service at Turnham Green is more than adequate when running OK.
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Post by trainopd78 on Sept 6, 2005 22:44:54 GMT
Picc trains used to stop at TG because the District used to run only a 20 minutely service to Richmond and Ealing at certain times of the day, but the frequency was doubled so the station now gets a train at least every every 5 minutes throughout the day which is deemed adequate. I feel looking at passenger loadings on my train the District frequency is perfectly adequate. It takes a District train 2 to 3 minutes longer to get to Hammersmith from TG and often it takes only a minute longer to get to Acton tn. I feel stopping the picc during the day will just slow things down more than they are already and will be detrimental to the overall service including the District through Acton Tn.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2005 1:50:05 GMT
I have mentioned this elsewhere, but several years back there was a plan for the Picc to completely non stop Turnham Green to increase line capacity. The station was even blanked off on the in car line maps. The plan was dropped a week or so before it was due to come in purely because of local pressure.
Personally I think, as the District now offers such a frequent service the Picc should be non stopped at all times. Many times I've left Hammersmith with a Picc in the adjacent platform only to connect with him again at Turnham Green.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2005 7:04:52 GMT
Have you noticed then that the Piccadilly line maps have been deleted from the platforms at TG during the station refurbishment? All you get now is a warning that Picc trains stop in the early morning and late evening only.
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Post by Colin on Sept 8, 2005 1:25:32 GMT
The argument used by most of the people hollering about a Picc service at Turnham Green is that Barons Court, right next to Hammersmith and only a minute away on either line, has a Picc service and may not necessarily need one. They feel that the stop at Barons Court should be withdrawn and substituted by a stop at Turnham Green, to maintain overall journey times. The biggest showstopper here is the signalling at Barons Court - fixing that would cost a lot of money, money that would not likely be recouped from the TG farebox. Also, the platforms are not very wide at Barons Court, which IMHO would make trains passing at speed rather dangerous - unless a barrier was installed, which would then make the sidings pretty useless in the event of a last minute reverse being required.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 8, 2005 10:50:01 GMT
Coudl you not put gates in the barrier, normally kept locked, but unlockable by the station staff and/or driver in the event they are needed. Lining up can be done with platform-edge doors on the JLE so I don't see why it couldn't be done here. The only problem might be I suppose different door locations on Picc and District stocks, but gates could be designed for both with selective opening or just keep district stocks on the outer platforms and teh picc on the inner ones or vice versa.
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Post by q8 on Sept 8, 2005 11:45:06 GMT
The only problem might be I suppose different door locations on Picc and District stocks, but gates could be designed for both with selective opening or just keep district stocks on the outer platforms and teh picc on the inner ones or vice versa. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thats not a problem anyway as niether uses the others platform at Barons Court. (and can't anyway) However the platforms are not that wide so a barrier would be difficult to safely site.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 8, 2005 13:04:59 GMT
I'm thinking of a waist-high barrier sited 1-2 feet from the platform edge. Is the platform that narrow that this would be a problem?
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Post by piccadillypilot on Sept 8, 2005 13:17:24 GMT
I'm thinking of a waist-high barrier sited 1-2 feet from the platform edge. Is the platform that narrow that this would be a problem? What return would there be on the expenditure?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2005 13:38:01 GMT
I'm thinking of a waist-high barrier sited 1-2 feet from the platform edge. Is the platform that narrow that this would be a problem? Chris A similar arrangement is in place on westbound District line platforms where the adjacent disused c2c platforms are fenced off, so In theory this would be possible, but waist high is a little too low, to stop people climbing over a barrier needs to be about 4 to 5 feet high.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2005 23:38:42 GMT
When I was a Guard on the Piccadilly, back in the 1970s, we were supposed to stop at Turnham Green all day on Sundays and we usually did honestly! But one time the Motorman (my regular mate) forgot.
I opened the doors at Hammersmith, and watched a bloke run up to the front cab. My mate told me later that the bloke said "What was wrong with Turnham Green?" His answer was "Oh, sorry mate. I was miles away and forgot to stop." The bloke's answer was "Well so am I now, f***ing miles away from Turnham Green!"
To his credit, the guy didn't write in and complain officially.... but he did give my mate a 'V' sign as he went up the stairs!! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2005 7:02:38 GMT
I opened the doors at Hammersmith, and watched a bloke run up to the front cab. My mate told me later that the bloke said "What was wrong with Turnham Green?" His answer was "Oh, sorry mate. I was miles away and forgot to stop." The bloke's answer was "Well so am I now, f***ing miles away from Turnham Green!" When I was on the Met doing Watford - Baker Street's I had done a semi fast and the next trip was all stations. I entered Northwick Park doing 50mph before I realized I should be stopping and wasn't going to, I got on the PA and said " Because of a fight in the booking hall, I have been instructed to non stop Northwick Park", just as I entered Preston Road I got back on the PA and said "Northwick Park has just reopened, apologies for the inconvenience". Bulls**t at it's best, I never heard a thing on the matter
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Post by igelkotten on Sept 12, 2005 10:46:23 GMT
When I was on the Met doing Watford - Baker Street's I had done a semi fast and the next trip was all stations. I entered Northwick Park doing 50mph before I realized I should be stopping and wasn't going to, I got on the PA and said " Because of a fight in the booking hall, I have been instructed to non stop Northwick Park", just as I entered Preston Road I got back on the PA and said "Northwick Park has just reopened, apologies for the inconvenience". Bulls**t at it's best, I never heard a thing on the matter Not that I would ever have done such a thing, but apparently there are completely unfounded rumours of such things happening here in Stockholm, too.
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Post by Phil on Sept 12, 2005 20:59:50 GMT
Stopping the Picc early morning/late evening goes way back to when all initial LT training was done at Chiswick Works. The early stops let people like myself (trainee bus conductor )get to Chiswick without having to change trains if coming from North (eastish) London
I suspect the current stops are ingrained into that sort of history, but basically were in the Staff Train category originally.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2005 22:12:10 GMT
Most of the DISTRICT line diagrams at Earls Court have Turnham Green marked "restricted service"!
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