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Post by olympic747 on Nov 10, 2005 12:42:50 GMT
I heard that Circle trains can reverse in the Minories Junction sidings past Tower Hill; presumably this could allow Inner Circle trains to become Outer Circle. Does this ever happen, or do Circle Trains 'terminate' at Edgward Road by becoming H and C trains?
At the beginning and end of the timetable, i think Circle trains 'terminate' at Aldgate....but you guys can clarify
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2005 13:35:05 GMT
There are no sidings at Minories Junction.
The only time a Circle Line train would be 'reversed' is during times of service disruption, when it would be sensible to swap a Circle train from one of the Rails to the other.
Circle Line trains don't terminate at Aldgate either; they wait time at Aldgate to provide recovery in the timetable, a subject on which citysig and Q8 have both made their views known. The only time Circle trains 'terminate' at Edgware Road, other than diuring disruption, is when they are reformed into H&C trains to go to bed at Hammersmith.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2005 19:29:23 GMT
Circles can reverse in lots of places:
Baker St (outer to inner)
Moorgate (outer to inner)
L'pool St (inner to outer)
South Ken (both)
Embankment (both)
Mansion House (inner to outer)
Tower Hill (inner to outer)
Gloucester Rd (inner to outer)
High St Ken (both)
Edgware Rd (both)
And probably some others I've forgotten.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2005 21:09:51 GMT
I thought that in the 1990's one Circle a day was reversed via Whitechapel to redcuce uneven wheel wear (according to the 1996 LUL Handbook)
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Post by Chris M on Nov 10, 2005 21:52:49 GMT
I can't remember exactly what it siad about it, but this was definately mentioned in TubePurne's page about the C stock. I don't havee the link to hand at the moment, but will post it when I find it again if nobody has beaten me to it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2005 23:46:48 GMT
I thought that in the 1990's one Circle a day was reversed via Whitechapel to redcuce uneven wheel wear (according to the 1996 LUL Handbook) Can confirm this, as I was a Circle/H&C driver in the late 1980s. One Circle a day (at the end of the evening peak) ran from the inner rail at Tower Hill - to Whitechapel - then back onto the inner rail at Liverpool St. This certainly continued into the 1990s and still does as far as I know. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2005 0:10:12 GMT
Circles can reverse in lots of places: Baker St (outer to inner) Moorgate (outer to inner) L'pool St (inner to outer) South Ken (both) Embankment (both) Mansion House (inner to outer) Tower Hill (inner to outer) Gloucester Rd (inner to outer) High St Ken (both) Edgware Rd (both) And probably some others I've forgotten. Well adw has given most of them, but I'll add: Kings Cross (both) Farringdon (both) Aldgate (outer to inner) Also, both Baker St and Liverpool St are '(both)'!  I work on the Metropolitan, adw works on the District, and we each know our "own" sides of the Circle as you can see.  |
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Post by Harsig on Nov 11, 2005 7:40:49 GMT
I thought that in the 1990's one Circle a day was reversed via Whitechapel to redcuce uneven wheel wear (according to the 1996 LUL Handbook) Can confirm this, as I was a Circle/H&C driver in the late 1980s. One Circle a day (at the end of the evening peak) ran from the inner rail at Tower Hill - to Whitechapel - then back onto the inner rail at Liverpool St. This certainly continued into the 1990s and still does as far as I know. There is no such working in the timetable these days. However the timetable is arranged such that in theory by the end of the day certain trains will stable the opposite way round to the way they started the day |
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Post by Harsig on Nov 11, 2005 7:42:26 GMT
Well adw has given most of them, but I'll add: Kings Cross (both) Farringdon (both) Aldgate (outer to inner) Also, both Baker St and Liverpool St are '(both)'! I feel I ought to point out that Aldgate is also '(both)' as is Moorgate. |
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Post by trainopd78 on Nov 12, 2005 5:44:42 GMT
Can confirm this, as I was a Circle/H&C driver in the late 1980s. One Circle a day (at the end of the evening peak) ran from the inner rail at Tower Hill - to Whitechapel - then back onto the inner rail at Liverpool St. This certainly continued into the 1990s and still does as far as I know. There is no such working in the timetable these days. However the timetable is arranged such that in theory by the end of the day certain trains will stable the opposite way round to the way they started the day (Stops looking through timetable) Thanks for that, thought I was going mad as I couldn't find the move anywhere! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2005 23:15:54 GMT
There is no such working in the timetable these days. However the timetable is arranged such that in theory by the end of the day certain trains will stable the opposite way round to the way they started the day (Stops looking through timetable) Thanks for that, thought I was going mad as I couldn't find the move anywhere! ;D Sorry, I was "Living in the past" with that!! ;D Sometimes I forget that it's 17 years since I worked on the Circle/H&C. Back then the Circle service dropped from 7.5 tph to 6 tph at the end of the evening peak, so it was relatively easy to schedule one Circle trip on the inner rail via Whitechapel. But of course with the current service pattern of 7 tph reverting to 7.5 tph after a much longer evening peak, there is no possibility of a run via Whitechapel nowadays. What has occured to me though is that none of us have actually answered Olympic747's original question, which was about the beginning and end of the Circle service each day. I will do my best... The Circle Line is fed from its 'top' section at the start of traffic, with inner rail trains from Edgware Rd (one from the sidings direct to Paddington) reversing at both Gloucester Rd and South Ken onto the outer rail - plus trains from Hammersmith to Aldgate reversing onto the inner rail. An inner rail train also enters service at Kings Cross, starting from Farringdon sidings I think. I need some help from Citysig and Harsig on this, as they have the Circle/H&C working timetable... and actually signal the service!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2005 23:21:01 GMT
I need some help from Citysig and Harsig on this, as they have the Circle/H&C working timetable... and actually signal the service! ;D ....Or at least they try too!! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2005 23:49:01 GMT
I need some help from Citysig and Harsig on this, as they have the Circle/H&C working timetable... and actually signal the service! ;D ....Or at least they try too!! ;D Oooo, nice one!! I'm waiting for some reaction to that!!! ;D ;D |
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Post by trainopd78 on Nov 15, 2005 0:14:35 GMT
Some Circles start and finish their day from Barking sidings too.
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Post by citysig on Nov 17, 2005 11:27:19 GMT
....Or at least they try too!! ;D Oooo, nice one!! I'm waiting for some reaction to that!!! ;D ;D  All I will say is your card is (further) marked MA. I wouldn't apply for any train operator positions on the Met/Circle/H&C/Jub ;D ;D |
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Post by Harsig on Nov 17, 2005 16:05:14 GMT
Oooo, nice one!! I'm waiting for some reaction to that!!! ;D ;D All I will say is your card is (further) marked MA. I wouldn't apply for any train operator positions on the Met/Circle/H&C/Jub ;D ;D Or District come to that. In fact even the East London Line might not be a good idea. Citysig has a record of doing bad things to East London Line Drivers when they venture up our way ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2005 16:56:57 GMT
hmm send em round the houses.....
do trains run in service from Hammersmith - Aldgate? if so are tehy H&C or Circle???
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Post by c5 on Nov 17, 2005 20:42:47 GMT
hmm send em round the houses..... do trains run in service from Hammersmith - Aldgate? if so are tehy H&C or Circle??? Yes. They are both, sometimes we even send H&C trains via the South Side (district) of the Circle ;D |
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Post by citysig on Nov 18, 2005 11:05:37 GMT
Yes. They are both, sometimes we even send H&C trains via the South Side (district) of the Circle ;D Sometimes planned, sometimes not. I refer you to the comment my learned friend made some posts ago about the direction certain trains may take (though of course it's not just me that does it, and that ELL stock was a long time ago ) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2005 20:35:30 GMT
slightly OT, i think that LUL should run a slightly different service at sometime during th christmas closedown (if drivers are willing)
they should let th signallers decide where th trains are going, we could have some lovely interesting moves then!!
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Post by DWS on Nov 19, 2005 21:24:41 GMT
slightly OT, i think that LUL should run a slightly different service at sometime during th christmas closedown (if drivers are willing) they should let th signallers decide where th trains are going, we could have some lovely interesting moves then!! As the Tube is closed on Christmas Day, I do not think you will get staff to come in just to play trains  |
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Post by c5 on Nov 20, 2005 8:54:14 GMT
slightly OT, i think that LUL should run a slightly different service at sometime during th christmas closedown (if drivers are willing) they should let th signallers decide where th trains are going, we could have some lovely interesting moves then!! What makes you think the signalmen will be more willing than train operators to come in ;D Though i do hear some are needed this year due to the jubilee 7 car project.. luck you ;D |
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Post by citysig on Nov 20, 2005 12:02:19 GMT
they should let th signallers decide where th trains are going, we could have some lovely interesting moves then!! The interesting moves I and many of my colleagues would no doubt choose are the various routes we can use to signal trains into depot. The next interesting move after all trains have taken a route to depot would be to stand up, put a warm coat on (because the "bad" winter is bound to be here by then), walk towards the door, turn the lights off and shut the door behind us. Though i do hear some are needed this year due to the jubilee 7 car project.. luck you ;D Yes but it was purely voluntary on our side, and it is triple pay with a day off in lieu. Not bad for a few hours of nothing happening (as will no doubt happen). |
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All I will say is your card is (further) marked MA. I wouldn't apply for any train operator positions on the Met/Circle/H&C/Jub ;D ;D
