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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2007 23:42:26 GMT
Hi all, sorry I haven't been able to post for a while - been very busy with all sorts of things! Just added this shot to my site though, so thought it might be of interest: L95 at Neasden, February 1967. Image is "clickable" to take you to larger image on my site, if you wish to have a look. Cheers, Geoff
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Post by Oracle on Dec 2, 2007 10:25:00 GMT
I am debating whether the Morris LCV is ex-Post Office but it has the side window conversion that matched the van panels. The Cortina Mk 1 appears to be a 1400 Super 2-door in Alpina Green.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2007 15:13:17 GMT
Hi David, can't help you with the road vehicles I'm afraid, but they certainly add to the period atmosphere!
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2007 21:45:13 GMT
I am debating whether the Morris LCV is ex-Post Office but it has the side window conversion that matched the van panels. Wouldn't a Post Office van have the Yale locks on the doors and rubber front wings?
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Post by Oracle on Dec 10, 2007 22:16:19 GMT
Negatory on the rubber wings...I must look up my book to see when they went out. A fair point though about the locks. It looks to me more like a Postal Engineering van, with that stripe, or it could be someone needed a respray and knew someone who worked for a Post Office depot! I have photos of a PO refurbishment depot and it is amazing what they did to old vans..complete rebuilds! At that time the Post Office Telephones had a vehicle depot at the old Isleworth Trolleybus Depot, and I am pleased to see that the building is still there!
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Post by william on Dec 10, 2007 22:21:04 GMT
Looks to me like the purpose built Morris Dormobile Junior not a converted GPO telephones van.
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Post by Oracle on Dec 11, 2007 7:57:24 GMT
I am sure it's a converted ordinary LCV, i.e. Minor Light Commercial Vehicle, with very nice side windows. Getting round Purchase Tax! I love the now-rare Cortina though! A 2-door Super! Oh, and becuase I have a fondness for the GWR panniers, the LT loco!
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Post by tubeprune on Dec 11, 2007 18:22:44 GMT
I had a Cortina GT 1600 in that colour. I loved that car.
I also remember that the power station, in the background, had a good canteen. They did an excellent breakfast.
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Post by norfolkdave on Dec 9, 2008 21:20:24 GMT
Neason just as I remembered it, they showed us around on our stock training days, this is a long shot is it still there, I know the steam will be log gone, but is the building still there or is it down, mighty majestic was Neasdon.
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Post by ricko on Apr 5, 2009 22:45:35 GMT
Hi All (but particularly Geoff),
Hope I'm posting in the appropriate place. I'm sure you'll correct me if not.
As a small child in the 60's my mother used to take me to Kingsbury on the Bakerloo line once a year to visit my grandmother. The highlight of the journey for me was passing through Neasden depot and seeing the steam loco with 'London Transport' on the side. In my mind I can see a 6-wheeled tank engine with a particularly large steam dome. The engine is immaculately painted, polished, and the steam dome is brass. And it's 'parked' in an elevated position as though being displayed.
Now, for several years I've been casually searching for info or a picture of this locomotive, so I was stunned to come across Geoff's picture in this thread. I'm pretty sure now that the loco I remember was one of these ex-GWR 0-6-0PT engines.
But were any of these locos 'preserved' at Neasden or is that just my memory playing tricks? Am I perhaps just remembering seeing working locos standing outside the steam shed? Certainly, the last time I passed through the depot in the early 70's the locomotive had 'gone', and I know that LT packed in steam in 1971, so perhaps my childish eyes interpreted the scene incorrectly.
Any help solving the mystery very much appreciated.
Rick.
ps: Of course, now I've discovered some references to an LT saddle tank engine at Neasden too, so now I'm really unsure!
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Post by metman on Apr 5, 2009 22:56:55 GMT
There were ex-LNER trains using the Neasden shed too I think, it could have been one of them?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2009 10:52:31 GMT
The BR (ex LNER) shed was the other side of the lines from the LT depot - locos there would have been dirty black.
IIRC, all the LT steam locos except the the ex-GW panniers went by c1963 (the Peckett saddle tanks a bit earlier) - but the panniers were always kept in pretty good condition - so I imagine (allowing for childish and rose tinted eyes) they are what ricko remembers seeing - ISTR that there was normally one or two standing outside during the day
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Post by roythebus on Apr 6, 2009 14:16:39 GMT
The Peckett saddle tanks had long gone by the late 60's.
The ashes of the late Alan Cruikshank were scattered around the site of Neasden steam shed. Alan was a member of the Model Railway club, and an avid Met enthusiast, modelling mainly in S gauge (1/64th scale). Whether he would approve of Neasden today we'll never know.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2009 21:57:21 GMT
Early sixties with a polished brass dome may not have been a six-wheeler. Beyer Peacock 4.4.0T No23 would fit the bill. It's now in Covent Garden. As far as I am aware the panniers necer had polished domes, not even in GWR days.
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Post by ricko on Apr 9, 2009 0:13:28 GMT
Thanks for all your comments. I've worked out that I must have been going through there from around 1962 to around 1972. I'm fairly certain that what I remember wasn't the Beyer Peacock suggested by Glyn, so I think it must be the panniers I remember. But I think I may also have seen one of the saddle tanks (depending on when they were withdrawn).
Whatever it was; it was certainly cleaner than the pannier shown in the picture at the top of this thread.
I see that there is now a whole book dedicated to the panniers (Red Panniers - Last Steam on the Underground) but it's a bit pricey at £27. Might have to take a sneaky look in the transport museum shop next time I'm passing!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2009 19:30:57 GMT
Take it from someone who has the book. It is worth every penny! Geoff Plumbs pictures feature quite heavily....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2009 12:05:25 GMT
Hello Ricko, I see you eventually managed to register on the site and post your query! Thanks for the same message posted recently on my Fotopic site - I would have replied directly, but unfortunately you didn't leave your correct email address on the site!
As others have stated here, as far as I know, the LT panniers never had polished domes - I doubt that they were made of brass in any case. GWR safety valve covers were made of brass and in the case of the larger passenger engines these were polished. With more humble classes these were usually painted and this was also the case with the LT panniers.
The 0-6-0 saddle tanks you mention were built by Peckett, just two locos, in 1897 and 1899 respectively, Metropolitan Railway numbers 101 and 102. They were used at Neasden yards, amongst other places. These became L53 and L54 when taken over by London Transport. Certainly in MR days these had polished brass combined dome and safety valve covers, in the centre of the tanks, and they may have retained these into LT days. The two locos were withdrawn in 1960 and 1961 respectively, but when they were scrapped I don't know. So it could be possible that it was one of these that you saw originally, as well as the panniers in later years.
I can certainly recommend the "Red Panniers" book as it has lots of my pictures in it (along with many other contributors)!
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by metman on Apr 15, 2009 12:20:38 GMT
Think the Pecketts went quite quickly after withdrawal, along with a number of other E and F class tanks.
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Post by geebeezed on May 21, 2009 16:01:50 GMT
I think the Mog is a Martin Walter (Dormobile) 'Utilicon Junior' and was supplied like that... Hence the properly shaped windows...
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Post by Oracle on May 21, 2009 22:14:28 GMT
Could be! The Martin Walter (Folkestone) Utilicon was first offered in 1939 on the Bedford light van, as an officially-approved conversion by Vauxhall Motors. When the photo was taken I think they had started offering the Beagle conversion on the Bedford HA 8-cwt van..the Beagle debuted in 1964. The car in front is a Ford Cortina 1500 Super, and I think in Goodwod Green and not Alpina Green?
Mods please forgive my colleague for resuscitating an old thread!
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