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Post by xplaistow on Dec 25, 2019 0:45:27 GMT
This is a small thing I have been working on which I am posting here for anyone who wants a small distraction during a hectic Christmas and New Year. Basically, it’s a connecting wall in the style of the 3rd round on the BBC quiz Only Connect. It consists of a 4x4 grid containing 16 stations which can be separated into 4 groups of 4 such that in each group the stations are connected by a theme. Some stations will fit into multiple groups, but (if I’ve done this correctly) there is only one complete solution. The object is to work out exactly what these groups and connections are. Be warned that one of the connections is somewhat specific. (As this is a DD quiz, there has to be some challenge in it!) I will probably post the full answer on one of the first days of the new year. If anyone thinks they have the solution (or if they have any queries) then feel free to send me a PM. Please only reply to this post if you have some general feedback to give. (Note: I am only really doing this to try a couple of things out, but if people like this or make any good suggestions then I might do something like this again at some point.) Anyway, here is the wall: Parsons Green
| West Hampstead
| Hammersmith
| White City
| Redbridge
| Whitechapel
| Canons Park
| Royal Victoria
| Embankment
| Seven Sisters
| Barkingside
| Blackfriars
| Blackhorse Road
| West Brompton
| North Greenwich
| All Saints
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(There is also a picture of it below)
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 25, 2019 1:15:31 GMT
Ooooo I like this!
*Thinks*
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Post by gantshill on Dec 25, 2019 9:54:58 GMT
Ooooo I like this! *Thinks* I agree great fun. Should we show our workings on this thread? For example what are the possible sets of four?
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Post by superteacher on Dec 26, 2019 8:18:42 GMT
Good stuff! But rather like the TV show, I’m currently clueless
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Post by xplaistow on Dec 26, 2019 20:39:40 GMT
I meant to post this earlier but couldn't because of a technical issue. It's a pictorial representation of the wall using station roundels: gantshill - I would prefer it if nobody replies to this thread with things like possible sets at least for a few days just because I would like to see people think about the problem on their own for a little while. How about this: I think the rule should be that after say 0:01am on the 31st Dec it's OK to reply with possible connections or whatever. Just don't reply with the complete solution as I would like to choose when to reveal that.
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Post by xplaistow on Dec 31, 2019 0:34:45 GMT
Quick reminder: now that it's New Years Eve, you can feel free to leave any guesses or ideas here.
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Post by class411 on Dec 31, 2019 1:02:43 GMT
Hammersmith, White City, Embankment, North Greenwich : Out of station interchanges.
If that’s not correct, Parsons Green, Whitechapel, White City, Seven Sisters : common terminating points that are not physical termini.
Redbridge, Blackhorse Road, Seven Sisters, Whitechapel : Stations named for specific things that are no longer there.
Some lexicographic links : Five station names have some religious connection and seven contain a colour.
Added 1-Jan-20
Canons Park, Barkingside, Hammersmith and West Hampstead all have toilets. (So do White City and Seven Sisters, but they have more likely connexions above.)
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Post by gantshill on Dec 31, 2019 13:53:00 GMT
At least four are Underground Overground interchanges.
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Post by class411 on Jan 1, 2020 10:44:20 GMT
So we now have five suggestions.
But I'm guessing that at least one of the connections will be related to sidings/platform arrangement.
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Post by gantshill on Jan 1, 2020 18:19:34 GMT
So we now have five suggestions. But I'm guessing that at least one of the connections will be related to sidings/platform arrangement. Good thinking. I can see four with three tracks served by platforms. But not all have three platforms.
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Post by class411 on Jan 1, 2020 18:28:32 GMT
So we now have five suggestions. But I'm guessing that at least one of the connections will be related to sidings/platform arrangement. Good thinking. I can see four with three tracks served by platforms. But not all have three platforms. Do you mean that one of the physical lumps of concrete serves a track on either side? I know that the NR system numbers each side desperately, but I've never noticed how LU treat them. Anyway, having three (or more) platformed tracks should be good enough for a connection. I've just thought of another possible connection (although I don't know of even one of the listed stations that might qualify) : Stations with disused platforms.
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Post by class411 on Jan 1, 2020 18:35:44 GMT
Hammersmith, Whitechapel, Embankment, and Blackfriars all have platforms that serve two (nominal) lines.
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Post by xplaistow on Jan 2, 2020 18:16:46 GMT
As the question setter, it's interesting seeing all these different guesses at the connections, a number of which are wrong (although they have given me ideas for potential future walls I could make).
As I'm feeling kind, I'll give you a clue.
There's one link which I'm surprised nobody has come close to yet as the person I tested this on found it fairly quickly. Your clue is that to spot this link you only need to look at the names of the stations.
I might give further clues if I'm in the mood.
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Post by class411 on Jan 2, 2020 19:01:20 GMT
As the question setter, it's interesting seeing all these different guesses at the connections, a number of which are wrong (although they have given me ideas for potential future walls I could make). When you say they are wrong, do you mean they are factually incorrect, or that they are just not the connections you have made? Well: White City, Whitechaple, Blackhorse Road, and Blackfriars are all named for en entity or entities that is black or white. Parsons Green, White City, Embankment, and Canons Park are all named after man made geographical features. Redbridge, Blackhorse Road, White City, and Embankment are all named for man-made constructions. Canons Park, Blackfriars, Seven Sisters, All Saints, and Parsons Green all relate to some possibly religious people - add Whitechapel for possibly religious entities of any kind.. That's a total of ten sets of connections I've made now. And I still haven't managed to include West Brompton! I think I might give up here.
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Post by xplaistow on Jan 2, 2020 22:46:25 GMT
As the question setter, it's interesting seeing all these different guesses at the connections, a number of which are wrong (although they have given me ideas for potential future walls I could make). When you say they are wrong, do you mean they are factually incorrect, or that they are just not the connections you have made? I mean that they are not the connections I used when making the wall. This is a correct answer, sort-of. I have the connection down slightly differently but you're almost there. So one down, three to find. Also for the record, this is not the connection I had in mind when I wrote my last post. I'll also throw out a second clue: One of the other connections is historical.
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Post by class411 on Jan 3, 2020 8:53:37 GMT
Barkingside, Royal Victoria, West Hampstead, and North Greenwich all contain the names of other stations within their own names.
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Post by xplaistow on Jan 3, 2020 13:12:52 GMT
Barkingside, Royal Victoria, West Hampstead, and North Greenwich all contain the names of other stations within their own names. That is the connection I was talking about yesterday, although that's not the exact set of 4 I had in mind for it... So that leaves 2 connections to find, one being historical and, as a further hint, one which was suggested fairly early on.
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Post by westville13 on Jan 5, 2020 14:49:54 GMT
Too obvious that only four begin with a "W"?
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Post by class411 on Jan 8, 2020 10:36:05 GMT
Perhaps we can have the correct answer now.
I don't think anyone else is going to come up with further suggestions.
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Post by xplaistow on Jan 8, 2020 13:27:28 GMT
Perhaps we can have the correct answer now. I don't think anyone else is going to come up with further suggestions. In that case what I think I will do is reveal the answer a bit at a time. Then if anyone feels they can fill in the blanks they can chip in with the whole solution.
To start with I can reveal the group with a historical* connection is:
- Blackfriars
- Hammersmith
- West Brompton
- Whitechapel
Based on what's already been said, that should be enough for someone to work out the rest of the groups.
(*historical in an Underground context as opposed to anything else)
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Post by class411 on Jan 8, 2020 17:16:58 GMT
So we have:
1 Historical connection
Blackfriars Hammersmith West Brompton Whitechapel
2 Religious personnel
Canons Park Seven Sisters All Saints Parsons Green
3 Stations containing the name of another station
Barkingside Royal Victoria West Hampstead North Greenwich
4 Stations named for a man made construction
Blackhorse Road Embankment Redbridge White City
It may not be the answer you originally intended but I believe it's valid. (Although 4 is a bit weak as so many stations are name for man-made constructions.)
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Post by xplaistow on Jan 8, 2020 22:25:52 GMT
So we have: 1 Historical connection Blackfriars Hammersmith West Brompton Whitechapel 2 Religious personnel Canons Park Seven Sisters All Saints Parsons Green 3 Stations containing the name of another station Barkingside Royal Victoria West Hampstead North Greenwich 4 Stations named for a man made construction Blackhorse Road Embankment Redbridge White City It may not be the answer you originally intended but I believe it's valid. (Although 4 is a bit weak as so many stations are name for man-made constructions.) That's almost exactly what I have. The only differences are that 2 stations are in the wrong groups and the last connection is not the one I had in mind. I'll leave this open a little longer to give you a chance to correct that answer and also see if anyone can work out what the historical connection actually is.
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Post by John Tuthill on Jan 8, 2020 22:37:36 GMT
So we have: 1 Historical connection Blackfriars Hammersmith West Brompton Whitechapel 2 Religious personnel Canons Park Seven Sisters All Saints Parsons Green 3 Stations containing the name of another station Barkingside Royal Victoria West Hampstead North Greenwich 4 Stations named for a man made construction Blackhorse Road Embankment Redbridge White City It may not be the answer you originally intended but I believe it's valid. (Although 4 is a bit weak as so many stations are name for man-made constructions.) Could someone explain to this muppet, what the 'historical connection is in group 1? I'm flumexed
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Post by brigham on Jan 9, 2020 8:36:18 GMT
Were those four stations included in the names of the railways' Acts of Parliament? Hammersmith and City Piccadilly and Brompton Whitechapel and Bow Er... Not sure about Blackfriars.
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Post by class411 on Jan 9, 2020 9:34:51 GMT
Could someone explain to this muppet, what the 'historical connection is in group 1? I'm flumexed You are not alone. It will be fun to see if anyone can come up with the answer to that now that we know the actual stations involved. We already have one possibility.
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Post by class411 on Jan 9, 2020 10:10:05 GMT
Blackfriars Hammersmith West Brompton Whitechapel
I believe that the historical connection is that the stations were all originally opened as part of a non underground railway.
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Post by davethewomble on Jan 9, 2020 13:07:15 GMT
I wonder if groups 3 and 4 should be:
3 Underground Stations containing the name of another station:
Barkingside Royal Victoria West Hampstead Embankment
4 Stations containing a colour:
Blackhorse Road North Greenwich Redbridge White City
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Post by davethewomble on Jan 9, 2020 13:15:04 GMT
I also wonder if the historical connection of group 1 is that they were all opened as termini of the District railway?
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Post by class411 on Jan 9, 2020 13:25:40 GMT
I wonder if groups 3 and 4 should be: 3 Underground Stations containing the name of another station: Barkingside Royal Victoria West Hampstead Embankment 4 Stations containing a colour: Blackhorse Road North Greenwich Redbridge White City Well done! I'd completely missed em bankment - doh!
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Post by xplaistow on Jan 9, 2020 23:58:34 GMT
davethewomble has it all sewn up. The full solution as I had it written my end is: Group 1 - Stations containing plurals of religious persons: - All Saints
- Canons Park
- Parsons Green
- Seven Sisters
Group 2 - Stations containing other stations: - Barkingside
- Embankment
- Royal Victoria
- West Hampstead*
Group 3 - One-time termini of the Metropolitan District Railway: - Blackfriars
- Hammersmith
- West Brompton
- Whitechapel
Group 4 - Stations containing colours: - Blackhorse Road
- North Greenwich
- Redbridge
- White City
(*West Hampstead is special as it contains two other stations: Hampstead & West Ham) Now that this is all finished, does anyone have any feedback they'd like to give? As I said initially, this was just me trying out the idea but now that I've done it I have quite a bit of inspiration to work with. I might do more of these in the future.
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