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Post by superteacher on Oct 27, 2019 18:20:25 GMT
According to the TFL site the current timetable only runs up to 3rd November. What changes are included in the new timetable?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 27, 2019 19:24:05 GMT
Was due for implementation on 16 September, delayed until 4 November:
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Post by superteacher on Oct 27, 2019 20:12:17 GMT
That’s a seriously intense timetable!
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Post by cudsn15 on Oct 28, 2019 8:15:45 GMT
Thank goodness! The cliff edge drop in service after 9AM results in serious over crowding - particularly when the Enfield Overground service empties at Seven Sisters.
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Post by goldenarrow on Oct 28, 2019 17:27:05 GMT
I must say, even though we’ve had computerised railways systems operating the capital for over 30 years, it stills feels like a bit of a novelty to see a train flying in whilst the previous trains load is still leaving the platform.
But I really do wonder what service enhancements will be possible post WTT 42. They are pushing the limits of what is physically possible which is nonetheless impressive, but what next?
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Post by superteacher on Oct 28, 2019 21:39:05 GMT
Is there scope / plans to exceed 36tph?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 28, 2019 22:34:16 GMT
Even if there is scope for more than 36tph from a signalling perspective, I'm not sure that the stations will be able to clear the alighting passengers quickly enough. Especially where the only exit from the platform is at one end (e.g. Pimlico, Walthamstow)
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Post by londoner on Oct 29, 2019 0:40:26 GMT
I must say, even though we’ve had computerised railways systems operating the capital for over 30 years, it stills feels like a bit of a novelty to see a train flying in whilst the previous trains load is still leaving the platform. But I really do wonder what service enhancements will be possible post WTT 42. They are pushing the limits of what is physically possible which is nonetheless impressive, but what next? I guess they would then introduce walk-through trains and continue to upgrade stations to help shift people off the platforms.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 29, 2019 9:16:07 GMT
Given the current fleet on the Victoria line is only 10 years old, walk-through trains are a long way off.
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Post by metrider on Oct 29, 2019 19:05:19 GMT
I must say, even though we’ve had computerised railways systems operating the capital for over 30 years, it stills feels like a bit of a novelty to see a train flying in whilst the previous trains load is still leaving the platform. But I really do wonder what service enhancements will be possible post WTT 42. They are pushing the limits of what is physically possible which is nonetheless impressive, but what next? I guess they would then introduce walk-through trains and continue to upgrade stations to help shift people off the platforms. I can't really see either of those mitigations as practical. The Vic line trains are frequently 'sardine class' only during the peaks (& other times!) there is not really much scope for passengers to move down the train. Additionally the stock is too narrow for such movement, and the platforms frequently too crowded to allow alighting that is not distributed along the length of the train. I'd have thought that station upgrades would bee too large projects to even consider in most cases (in in any case the space around the existing excavations might not be available to extend onto)
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Post by cudsn15 on Oct 29, 2019 23:01:28 GMT
With the huge new development at Meridian Water (feeding in to Tottenham Hale) in the next few years, a rejuvenated and hugely increased capacity of the Goblin (feeding into Blackhorse Road) and soon the new bigger capacity 710's on the Enfield/Cheshunt lines (feeding into Seven Sisters) (plus weekly fixtures at the huge new Spurs ground and serving the massive Emirates stadium) the only thing that's going to relieve pressure on this already heavily worked line is Crossrail 2 - but as that is likely to be at least 30 years away (going by CR1) things are going to get very tight.
Thankfully the trains do seem very reliable but it only takes a slight issue and any increase in gaps from 2 mins to 4 - even during day time off peaks - creates packed trains. Thankfully - again - recovery time is generally very good.
I wonder how much things will deteriorate when we start losing trains for their mid-life over hauls?
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Post by MoreToJack on Oct 30, 2019 1:00:20 GMT
Crossrail 2.
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Post by jimbo on Oct 30, 2019 3:38:18 GMT
No mention so far of Picc going from 24tph to 30tph+ with new trains, once money for new signals is found, over 60% uplift. That should divert some demand from Vic in central area. Crossrail 2 could be too far away to help! Can't see Vic going to 38 or 40tph with only two platform termini. Would give 5% to 10% uplift, but probably need more trains, power, signalling, vent, etc. Uplift of 10%+ could come from a build of Picc style new trains to fit Vic line with the 36tph signalling, etc. Sunk costs shouldn't affect future decisions. If new trains are the most efficient way of dealing with growing demand, then they should come. Remember 1983TS only lasted 10 to 15 years, so 2009TS is sure to outlive that!
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Post by commuter on Oct 30, 2019 5:42:18 GMT
No mention so far of Picc going from 24tph to 30tph+ with new trains, once money for new signals is found, over 60% uplift. That should divert some demand from Vic in central area. Crossrail 2 could be too far away to help! Can't see Vic going to 38 or 40tph with only two platform termini. Would give 5% to 10% uplift, but probably need more trains, power, signalling, vent, etc. Uplift of 10%+ could come from a build of Picc style new trains to fit Vic line with the 36tph signalling, etc. Sunk costs shouldn't affect future decisions. If new trains are the most efficient way of dealing with growing demand, then they should come. Remember 1983TS only lasted 10 to 15 years, so 2009TS is sure to outlive that! New signals for the Pic aren’t that urgent. The majority of failures tend to occur on the bit of the track that’s run by the District and the number of control failures has diminished sharply since the interim signal control upgrade. The provision of a couple of extra trains could be quite comfortably be avoided when new trains are delivered with the existing signalling system.
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Post by jimbo on Oct 30, 2019 10:22:43 GMT
No mention so far of Picc going from 24tph to 30tph+ with new trains, once money for new signals is found, over 60% uplift. That should divert some demand from Vic in central area. Crossrail 2 could be too far away to help! Can't see Vic going to 38 or 40tph with only two platform termini. Would give 5% to 10% uplift, but probably need more trains, power, signalling, vent, etc. Uplift of 10%+ could come from a build of Picc style new trains to fit Vic line with the 36tph signalling, etc. Sunk costs shouldn't affect future decisions. If new trains are the most efficient way of dealing with growing demand, then they should come. Remember 1983TS only lasted 10 to 15 years, so 2009TS is sure to outlive that! New signals for the Pic aren’t that urgent. The majority of failures tend to occur on the bit of the track that’s run by the District and the number of control failures has diminished sharply since the interim signal control upgrade. The provision of a couple of extra trains could be quite comfortably be avoided when new trains are delivered with the existing signalling system. The media release talked of 27tph by 2026, which with new trains is about a 33% uplift. How long will that meet growing demand? Resignalling was 60%+ uplift, and allowed Ealing Broadway Picc service to provide boost to Richmond & Wimbledon branches.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 30, 2019 23:19:08 GMT
There is already a thread about the Piccadilly line upgrade. Back to discussion about the Victoria line please.
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