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Post by A60stock on Jun 11, 2019 20:11:03 GMT
Without the need to start a new thread, i do wholly agree that it seems as if the night tube has discriminated those in the north west london area. For those living in the area, there must be a certain confusion as to how an area which is probably one of the best served by tube has nothing at all. In the outer north west you have three lines which serve the area yet not one runs at night: Metropolitan - no service at all. Is this due to the upgrade works to the signalling? (Although the piccadilly has not been upgraded yet still runs a night service.....) Central - excluded north west branch to west ruislip as discussed above Piccadilly - I assume a similar reasoning exists for not running the piccadily line to uxbridge? or at least rayners lane? It would be interesting to know the reasoning for the above. As a commuter from the north west, it is unfortunate that stanmore is my closest night tube station! Split from here ~MoreToJack |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 11, 2019 21:15:03 GMT
I understand that the Surface Lines were excluded from the Night Tube because the signalling upgrade will require a lot of night closures. And of course the Picc shares tracks with the SSL not only between Rayners and Uxbridge, but in the Ealing Common area.
There are of course parts of London which have exactly the same level of Tube service day and night - London Boroughs of Bexley, Bromley, Croydon, Sutton, and Kingston.
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Post by A60stock on Jun 11, 2019 21:35:43 GMT
Thanks, that makes more sense with regards to the Picc line, although the district does serve acton town as well, and this seems ok to run a picc service.
Agree with the aforementioned boroughs, however, they don't have tube lines running in their areas, the north west does, nobody would be complaining if the north west was tubeless in the first place as the assets wouldn't even exist!
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Post by futurix on Jun 11, 2019 23:56:46 GMT
Thanks, that makes more sense with regards to the Picc line, although the district does serve acton town as well, and this seems ok to run a picc service. District has it's own tracks at Acton Town. |
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Post by rheostar on Jun 12, 2019 7:17:10 GMT
Thanks, that makes more sense with regards to the Picc line, although the district does serve acton town as well, and this seems ok to run a picc service. District has it's own tracks at Acton Town. The District doesn't have it's own tracks, the District just uses the local east and westbound platforms. The signalling for both the fast and local roads comes from the same IMRs. |
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Post by futurix on Jun 12, 2019 10:11:26 GMT
Well, at the very least it is possible to separate the services at Acton Town in case one is running through the night and the other is shut down.
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Post by jacks on Jun 12, 2019 10:26:01 GMT
I think the Picc is an exception of being a non-upgraded line with a Night Tube service for a couple of reasons - one it serves Heathrow and two it serves areas with a very lively night life (Leicester Square, Piccadilly Circus).
And the more branches you serve, the more trains you need along with more drivers (something that has already been an issue with the current level of service!)
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Post by goldenarrow on Jun 12, 2019 11:41:51 GMT
Heathrow is an opportunity area. With a large proportion of the airports work force leaving around Hounslow and Acton, the airport is very much a 24hr operation at weekends even if the planes stop landing at 11PM. As jacks says, it also serves the heart of the West End in what is just a very popular line for tourists. Back to the North West, the Piccadilly branch to Rayners Lane is still considered something of a backwater even if peak time trains into London are crammed. Given that the line passes through areas of comparatively low housing density, I don't think that we'll see a Night Tube service on that part of the line any time soon. In all likelihood, Rayners Lane is more likely to a get a Night Tube service from the Metropolitan line post 4LM given that Uxbridge, Harrow and Wembley could become potential opportunity areas since the are already developing plans for a more substantial late night economy. I think though that if any of the Sub-surface lines where to join the Night Tube network, it would have to be the Circle with its strategic route linking London termini where National Rail services run early into the morning and of course Thameslink services running through St Pancras and Blackfriars all night. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 12, 2019 11:57:57 GMT
The plan has always been for the Circle to join Night Tube (likely as a circular service) once 4LM is rolled out. 2020 is often given although with the delays to 4LM I’d expect this to slip back a year or so too...
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Post by futurix on Jun 12, 2019 20:59:44 GMT
Considering its current frequency - Circle line is a perfect match for the Night Tube. They won't have to change anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 17:05:48 GMT
We have done quite well in North West London with the night tube with both the Northern and Jubilee lines, there extra weekend only night buses like the N114 and a few others.
Also since 2002 our night bus network has been good I know there has recently been cut back in service every 30 minutes rather than 20 minutes which was brought on by the night tube which does effect me more as I have to get up earlier when I do early starts.
What really puzzles me is why use routemasters on night buses when TFl are short for money!
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Post by futurix on Jun 14, 2019 13:16:50 GMT
What really puzzles me is why use routemasters on night buses when TFl are short for money! Depending on a night, even the double decker buses can get full at 2-3am and again around 5am - and I guess it's too much hassle for TfL to use different types of buses on different days of the week. |
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Post by Ben on Jun 14, 2019 18:57:22 GMT
The N89 had a branch which ran to Ruislip until its alteration to the N207 in ~1996
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