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Post by philthetube on Feb 11, 2019 0:40:55 GMT
Iou want to see badly worn seats some of the driverws seats need checking out, and there have not been feet on those.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 11, 2019 1:28:12 GMT
Guaranteed to be occupied for the whole length of every journey though.
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Post by paulsw2 on Feb 11, 2019 7:42:17 GMT
Guaranteed to be occupied for the whole length of every journey though. Not at all the seats are blooming uncomfortable I have to alternate between sitting and standing
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 11, 2019 10:14:18 GMT
Guaranteed to be occupied for the whole length of every journey though. Every other journey............
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Post by Chris M on Feb 11, 2019 12:39:35 GMT
Guaranteed to be occupied for the whole length of every journey though. Every other journey............ Fair point.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 11, 2019 15:48:24 GMT
Was out an about on the SSL's today and had a closer look at some of the worn seats which got me thinking. From what I can see, the perforations/deformations of the top layer of threading appears to be in the vertical direction. One thing that sets the S stock moquette apart from other designs is the use of individually coloured rectangles set against amongst a plain background which makes me think that the colours have been "shot in" which by default induces a readiness to shed fibers when rubbed against. Barman I believe is conventionally woven in the crosshatch fashion. I definitely think there is something in the manufacturing process of the moquette fabric that just doesn't cut the mustard with this particular design/colour palette. My evidence from a photo taken by bowroaduk, this was taken in 2010 when the moquette was virtually new and yet you can see evidence of perforations in the stitches around the coloured bars in the vertical direction. to compare 21305/06 on Saturday:
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Post by londoner on Feb 11, 2019 16:25:19 GMT
Even when the moquette is so badly worn, it is still better to sit on than the chairs at my work!
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Post by Chris L on Feb 11, 2019 20:30:23 GMT
The colours are not punched in
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 11, 2019 21:43:32 GMT
Chris L, The colours for the moquette designs manufactured by Carmira are not punched in by which I mean they are woven as one continuous stitch hence why I said: To date all production runs of their products, refurbished 1967 & 1972 stocks, original 1995 and 1996 stocks, refurbished 1973, 1995 and 1996 stocks, 2009 stock, TfL Rail and Barman have followed that similar design. The only design that comes even close to resembling that of the S stock is the New Tube for London moquette which is as yet unproven in real world conditions.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 12, 2019 4:27:40 GMT
Chris L , The colours for the moquette designs manufactured by Carmira are not punched in by which I mean they are woven as one continuous stitch hence why I said: To date all production runs of their products, refurbished 1967 & 1972 stocks, original 1995 and 1996 stocks, refurbished 1973, 1995 and 1996 stocks, 2009 stock, TfL Rail and Barman have followed that similar design. The only design that comes even close to resembling that of the S stock is the New Tube for London moquette which is as yet unproven in real world conditions. You wouldn't consider the previous moquette on C Stock to be similar?:
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Post by Chris M on Feb 12, 2019 7:53:34 GMT
In pattern maybe, but the wear pattern on the C moquette is different: It's about even in both directions, whereas the S moquette is wearing primarily vertically which suggests that the construction is different.
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Post by towerman on Feb 15, 2019 12:40:06 GMT
Actually, this is quite pertinent to mention as I've recently moved back to Metroland after many years away and having ridden about on the S8 Stock, in particular, the seats are starting to look a little bit careworn. Have any of the S Stock been through an overhaul process yet? If not, when can such a process be expected to begin? I'd imagine any corrosion issues can be taken care of then. I can't remember whether its 2021 or 2023 that the overhaul is pencilled in to start at Acton Works. Thought the original plan was for S stock overhauls to be done at Neasden.
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Post by metman on Feb 15, 2019 20:14:12 GMT
I also thought the same. Perhaps things have changed?
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Post by br7mt on Feb 15, 2019 20:35:43 GMT
Proposed start September 2020 at Neasden with bogies and other bits sent to Acton Works for overhaul.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 22:28:26 GMT
Neasden do not have the space or staff for the type of work apparently. Even the new tube for london is being thought of in such a way that all heavy work will be done at acton works.
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Post by br7mt on Feb 19, 2019 8:36:26 GMT
The S8's are being done at Neasden. S7's might be done at Acton Works in the new shed if 92TS re-tractioning and programme lift are completed to schedule.
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Post by towerman on Feb 22, 2019 12:24:00 GMT
If that's the case why was overhaul work taken away from Acton in the 80s?Also they spent millions at Neasden re-equipping the lifting roads to take S stock,money wasted again?
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Post by philthetube on Feb 22, 2019 18:49:02 GMT
Lifting roads are used for regular service and repair work, not just for major overhauls. Presumably Acton is being equipped to do all stocks.
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Post by class411 on Feb 23, 2019 8:45:02 GMT
I noticed an extremely worn seat on an S7 this week.
What was interesting was that the particular seat was at least as badly worn as any shown on this thread, and yet none of the others in the lightly loaded carriage, that I could see, had any signs of wear at all.
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Post by t697 on Feb 23, 2019 12:16:32 GMT
I noticed an extremely worn seat on an S7 this week. What was interesting was that the particular seat was at least as badly worn as any shown on this thread, and yet none of the others in the lightly loaded carriage, that I could see, had any signs of wear at all. The seats and their covers are removeable for cleaning. Probably it started out on an older vehicle, got washed after soiling and fitted to a later vehicle, all before it was so worn.
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Post by tjw on Feb 23, 2019 14:45:31 GMT
Some seats do wear faster than others,
The ones in the sun usually fade, and the light damages the fibres. Also some seats see more use than others, say seats next to the side lights.
Unfortunately I have forgotten most of what I learnt from a pair of Trimmers (both now RIP) who started work for the Southern Railway in the 1930's. Vaguely I remember there is some sort of term for the number of fibres per square inch. Better quality and therefore harder wearing moquette, has more fibres. Also the backing material that forms the base for the pattern comes in different strengths. I believe 'bus moquette was thinner and had fewer threads per square inch. I suspect having had the misfortune to travel on the S stock regularly that the moquette is cheap stuff, it is very thin and so more like a bus moquette, rather than a traditional railway moquette.
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Post by londoner on Feb 24, 2019 23:13:44 GMT
I was on a district line train on car 24488 terminating at Richmond at 12:34 in the Saturday afternoon. Throughout the journey there was often a screeching sound whenever the brake was applied. Is there anywhere to report this?
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Post by Chris M on Feb 24, 2019 23:36:44 GMT
You can make a complaint on the TfL website. That should make its way to the fleet manager and from there to the relevant depot for investigation. I've reported suspected wheel flats on the Jubilee line. water ingress* on the Central line and door issues on the DLR this way and had responses that indicate that course of action was taken.
*a small stream of water came into the car from beside a door, but only under braking.
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Post by londoner on Feb 25, 2019 1:30:52 GMT
You can make a complaint on the TfL website. That should make its way to the fleet manager and from there to the relevant depot for investigation. I've reported suspected wheel flats on the Jubilee line. water ingress* on the Central line and door issues on the DLR this way and had responses that indicate that course of action was taken. *a small stream of water came into the car from beside a door, but only under braking. Okay thanks, I have done this. Felt a bit bad calling it a "complaint" as its more a comment/observation rather than a complaint but oh well
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 25, 2019 7:14:04 GMT
Throughout the journey there was often a screeching sound whenever the brake was applied. Is there anywhere to report this? Over the past week there are now several trains that make a very loud screeching when the friction brake applies below 10mph (16km/h). I’m not sure what the reason is for this sudden occurrence, new/different brake blocks ? at 1:53 has an S Stock arriving at Moorgate pfm.1 with precisely this sound:
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 25, 2019 9:07:01 GMT
Dstock7080 , I second that, I recall in 2013 when the S8’s were still in their relative infancy, every train made that noise regardless of weather the driver tried to counter act the jolt of the regenerative brakes cutting out or not.
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Post by brigham on Feb 25, 2019 9:07:36 GMT
Certain grades of friction material are prone to screeching. Buses often used these linings in the 'drum brake' days, and the sound was a familiar part of an adventure by bus.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 7:33:55 GMT
I was on a district line train on car 24488 terminating at Richmond at 12:34 in the Saturday afternoon. Throughout the journey there was often a screeching sound whenever the brake was applied. Is there anywhere to report this? The cause of the screeching is new brake blocks that need bedding in to fit the shape of the wheel. The blocks are a uniform shape and size, but the wheels are not as they wear and then get cut back to shape. This means the wheels are now smaller and the blocks take longer to get fully bedded in. The train must have been on an exam recently and had a fair few blocks changed if the noise is really bad, but there is not much that can be done.
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Post by cudsn15 on Mar 4, 2019 22:29:56 GMT
To be honest the general state of a lot of trains on most of the lines is getting rather shabby. Even the Victoria is running dirty trains inside and out. I'm not surprised because of the parlous state of the finances but it does seem like we're going backwards to the 80's when things were really grim.
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 14, 2019 9:38:41 GMT
cudsn15, I can’t talk about the 80’s since it’s well before my time but I can definitively say that the network is a much cleaner an brighter place than the one I remember in the early 2000’s. Kings X St Pancras, Victoria, Green Park and Blackfriars were in a state of decay back then not to mention the extremely dated appearance of the D stock and the 1973 stock which I always seem to remember the peeling yellow paint on the centre pole. Apart from the seats and few discoloured strap handles, they are in no worse condition than the 1995 stock were in the new millennia which I remember for their lumpy floors.
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