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Post by jamesb on Nov 13, 2018 7:54:45 GMT
Thanks for the insight into how decisions get taken.
Going back to the train at Stratford, what would the alternatives have been to allowing the train to depart without a member of staff in the affected car?
Part suspending the line and evacuating the train behind, pending the arrival of an extra member of staff?
Allowing a member of staff to depart with the defective train, and closing [the London Underground bits of] Stratford station because it fell below minimum staffing levels?
Taking the above, vs. moving the train 2 stops forward to the central platform at Leytonstone, it seemed a reasonable decision to my untrained eye.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 13, 2018 8:05:19 GMT
Thanks for the insight into how decisions get taken. Going back to the train at Stratford, what would the alternatives have been to allowing the train to depart without a member of staff in the affected car? Part suspending the line and evacuating the train behind, pending the arrival of an extra member of staff? Allowing a member of staff to depart with the defective train, and closing [the London Underground bits of] Stratford station because it fell below minimum staffing levels? Taking the above, vs. moving the train 2 stops forward to the central platform at Leytonstone, it seemed a reasonable decision to my untrained eye. It’s a bit difficult to isolate the Central line due to the cross platform interchanges. |
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Post by brigham on Nov 13, 2018 8:33:10 GMT
Where is the risk in running out-of-service stock with the doors open?
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Post by Chris M on Nov 13, 2018 8:36:45 GMT
Where is the risk in running out-of-service stock with the doors open? If the doors are open passing through a station then someone might get on it, especially if it is stationary adjacent to a platform at any point. At least that's my guess. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Nov 13, 2018 9:56:03 GMT
Stratford isn't a Section 12 station and therefore doesn't have a minimum staffing level.
The only alternative to having a member of staff on the faulty car is for the SOO to issue a waiver.
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Post by robv on Nov 13, 2018 20:28:03 GMT
Stratford isn't a Section 12 station and therefore doesn't have a minimum staffing level. The only alternative to having a member of staff on the faulty car is for the SOO to issue a waiver. What’s SOO ? |
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 13, 2018 20:41:24 GMT
Judging by earlier comments, I'd suggest Senior Operating Officer.
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Post by hobbayne on Nov 13, 2018 23:23:23 GMT
Its possible that it was a rear cab door FTC. The driver would not get a door closed visual, but would not need staff to ride if it was only partially opened.
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Post by Chris M on Nov 14, 2018 0:37:47 GMT
The OP clearly noted that one of the orange lights that illuminate when the passenger doors are open remained illuminated on one car - would a cab door give that indication? They didn't say which car it was, but as they didn't say "first" or "last" it's more likely to be a middle one.
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Post by superteacher on Nov 14, 2018 6:45:03 GMT
The OP clearly noted that one of the orange lights that illuminate when the passenger doors are open remained illuminated on one car - would a cab door give that indication? They didn't say which car it was, but as they didn't say "first" or "last" it's more likely to be a middle one. I believe that when a cab isn’t live, the door forms part of the usual train doors circuit, meaning that the orange light would be illuminated if the door wasn’t closed. |
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Post by luacton on Nov 14, 2018 18:17:31 GMT
The OP clearly noted that one of the orange lights that illuminate when the passenger doors are open remained illuminated on one car - would a cab door give that indication? They didn't say which car it was, but as they didn't say "first" or "last" it's more likely to be a middle one. I believe that when a cab isn’t live, the door forms part of the usual train doors circuit, meaning that the orange light would be illuminated if the door wasn’t closed. Correct. |
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Post by drainrat on Nov 15, 2018 14:28:15 GMT
Indeed, it does
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Post by jamesb on Nov 16, 2018 4:40:01 GMT
It was about the third car if I remember correctly
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Post by commuter on Nov 18, 2018 10:43:09 GMT
There's a door interlock override switch, the train goes out of service with a member of staff (usually a CSA) in the car with the fault and if any of the doors come open they pull the passenger emergency alarm. FWIW a member of staff is only required in the car if a door is physically open and cannot be closed. In the event an outside door indicator light (and/or corresponding indication in the cab) is illuminated but all doors are physically closed, a staff member is not needed to travel with said train. |
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