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Post by angelislington on Jun 25, 2018 23:56:22 GMT
Busy defending the network with a friend of mine from the North... who's now learnt about rolling stock, line and signalling upgrades, driver salaries, timetabling vagaries...  Just made me wonder what the commonest misunderstanding non-tubey people have about it. I think the one about having longer trains is the one I come up against most often. |
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Post by stapler on Jun 26, 2018 6:22:26 GMT
Surely the most common misconception about the Underground is that it's all underground.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 26, 2018 7:18:33 GMT
Busy defending the network with a friend of mine from the North... Just made me wonder what the commonest misunderstanding non-tubey people have about it. I think the one about having longer trains is the one I come up against most often. To your friend from the North, a six-car Tube is a long train.   |
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Post by alicarr on Jun 26, 2018 11:24:46 GMT
The biggest misconceptions I had: - not realising how different the lines are from each other, especially when comparing the sub-surface lines to the deep-level lines (before travelling on the Tube, I vaguely expected all the lines to share similar specifications and have compatible rolling stock);
- not fully appreciating the impact of the early Tube being built by profit-making railway companies, as opposed to being centrally planned;
- thinking the only way to improve the Tube is digging more tunnels, when in fact improvements to signalling, rolling stock and service patterns are often much more cost-effective.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 15:22:18 GMT
Busy defending the network with a friend of mine from the North... who's now learnt about rolling stock, line and signalling upgrades, driver salaries, timetabling vagaries... Just made me wonder what the commonest misunderstanding non-tubey people have about it. I think the one about having longer trains is the one I come up against most often.
The fact that a lot of people call everything with a roundel the tube, yet the tfl network consists of the tube,dlr, overground, buses and now tfl rail....
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Post by melikepie on Jun 26, 2018 15:41:57 GMT
Busy defending the network with a friend of mine from the North... who's now learnt about rolling stock, line and signalling upgrades, driver salaries, timetabling vagaries... Just made me wonder what the commonest misunderstanding non-tubey people have about it. I think the one about having longer trains is the one I come up against most often. The fact that a lot of people call everything with a roundel the tube, yet the tfl network consists of the tube,dlr, overground, buses and now tfl rail....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 15:43:59 GMT
I am old fashioned I refer to that as the Croydon Tramlink  |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 26, 2018 15:56:15 GMT
And obviously trams do not exist Another misconception - the Tube covers all of London. As the trams are south of the river, they are not really in London! (reinforced by people who insist on giving their address as "Bromley, Kent" or "Sutton, Surrey") |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 16:09:05 GMT
Ive had family tell me "you're not really London" because we got SWR home rather than the tube even though Im in zone 3. Id say this is one of the biggest misconceptions, im pretty sure there are about as many National Rail stations in the oyster barrier (whic h admittedly does go beyond London) as there are tube stations.
As for those who claim they aren't in London as they use their oyster card on a red London bus in one of the Boroughs of London, not much can be done if they do wish to not be considered London
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Post by xplaistow on Jun 26, 2018 16:43:11 GMT
I'm with @ad1992. I also think of it as the Croydon Tramlink (even though Croydon is a bit of a misnomer for certain parts of the network).
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Post by londoner on Jun 26, 2018 16:59:23 GMT
One of my colleagues told me this year that he thought the Piccadilly Line was one of the most reliable lines on the network. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 17:26:53 GMT
I'm with @ad1992 . I also think of it as the Croydon Tramlink (even though Croydon is a bit of a misnomer for certain parts of the network).
Aye, how many times do you sit on an OVERGROUND train and someone answers their phone and says Hello or, alright mate yes I am just on the tube home now.... I have seen photos before of the DLR and someone referred to it as the tube....
Incidentally am I the only that also thinks tfl need to go back to 2002 map basics. In a tube station put a tube map with tube lines and the DLR, not a tube map with other tfl lines amongst the tube lines.
Keep it simple. The whole point about Becks map was it was simple and easy to use, not an information overload.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jun 26, 2018 17:55:05 GMT
I'm with @ad1992 . I also think of it as the Croydon Tramlink (even though Croydon is a bit of a misnomer for certain parts of the network).
Aye, how many times do you sit on an OVERGROUND train and someone answers their phone and says Hello or, alright mate yes I am just on the tube home now.... I have seen photos before of the DLR and someone referred to it as the tube....
Incidentally am I the only that also thinks tfl need to go back to 2002 map basics. In a tube station put a tube map with tube lines and the DLR, not a tube map with other tfl lines amongst the tube lines.
Keep it simple. The whole point about Becks map was it was simple and easy to use, not an information overload.
Your first paragraph contradicts your second. If you want the DLR (another TfL line) on the tube map, expect people to refer to it as 'the tube'. Whilst I agree it would be nostalgic to have a retro map once again, the additions are there as a means of advertising train and tram services and accessibility options in the London area and this has proven very succesful in revenue generation and getting people to where they want to go quickly, and by the most advantageous route, radially or otherwise. Speaking for myself, I and most people I know don't have any difficulty reading the current offering.  |
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Post by John Tuthill on Jun 26, 2018 18:20:09 GMT
I'm with @ad1992 . I also think of it as the Croydon Tramlink (even though Croydon is a bit of a misnomer for certain parts of the network). Aye, how many times do you sit on an OVERGROUND train and someone answers their phone and says Hello or, alright mate yes I am just on the tube home now.... I have seen photos before of the DLR and someone referred to it as the tube.... Incidentally am I the only that also thinks tfl need to go back to 2002 map basics. In a tube station put a tube map with tube lines and the DLR, not a tube map with other tfl lines amongst the tube lines.
Keep it simple. The whole point about Becks map was it was simple and easy to use, not an information overload.
Couldn't agree more. On the latest map the top right hand corner looks a right mess  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 18:29:03 GMT
Well the DLR was there when I first looked at a tube map and it has always been out of the way. I knew never to look at it because I didn't need to use it.
The current offering has got Tfl services crossing over other tubes lines. Not a good idea to begin with especially as it is colour coded.
I suppose the point I am trying to make is, the current so called tube map is quite legible but if more and more lines end up crossing over other lines, that could make it considerably more confusing. That is my concern.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 26, 2018 19:17:36 GMT
this has proven very succesful in getting people to where they want to go quickly, and by the most advantageous route Unless you want to go from Old Street to Finsbury Park, or London Bridge to Greenwich, or Victoria to Balham, or,........... |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 26, 2018 19:22:25 GMT
im pretty sure there are about as many National Rail stations in the oyster barrier (whic h admittedly does go beyond London) as there are tube stations. There are 333 National Rail stations in Greater London. (This includes Overground and TfL Rail, but not NR Oyster stations outside London) |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jun 26, 2018 19:54:38 GMT
this has proven very succesful in getting people to where they want to go quickly, and by the most advantageous route Unless you want to go from Old Street to Finsbury Park, or London Bridge to Greenwich, or Victoria to Balham, or,........... No, never had a problem NF. |
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Post by superteacher on Jun 26, 2018 20:08:35 GMT
We had a thread fairly recently on what is / isn’t or should / shouldn’t be on the “tube map”. We’ve also had the discussion about what constitutes “the tube”.
Let’s not have a bout of deja vu and instead get back on topic.
Thanks all.
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