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Post by Alight on Apr 1, 2018 18:48:07 GMT
I have read in a handful of sources that the very end of the DSsiding has foot access to the HPK crossover. However, it is very difficult to find out more about this - it only ever seems to be referenced in a sentence or so.
My questions are: 1) Was there ever a link passageway for drivers to walk down? If so, does it still exist? 2) If it does exist, is it still common practice for drivers to use it, or would they walk down the main running tunnels? 3) Are there any photos? (There are quite a few DS siding photos knocking around, but these are usually taken closer to the DS end)
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Post by North End on Apr 1, 2018 20:39:10 GMT
I have read in a handful of sources that the very end of the DS siding has foot access to the HPK crossover. However, it is very difficult to find out more about this - it only ever seems to be referenced in a sentence or so. My questions are: 1) Was there ever a link passageway for drivers to walk down? If so, does it still exist? 2) If it does exist, is it still common practice for drivers to use it, or would they walk down the main running tunnels? 3) Are there any photos? (There are quite a few DS siding photos knocking around, but these are usually taken closer to the DS end) Yes there is a passage, and there certainly was a procedure for using it, and probably still is. In actual fact most if not all sidings have some kind of bolthole giving access to the adjacent running line or lines. Kennington, Archway and Tooting Broadway certainly do - although they're not really suitable for use as an access point, in most cases being narrow and often involving hazards like having to climb over cable runs or whatever. These boltholes do however sometimes make useful short-cuts if walking the track in engineering hours!
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Post by Alight on Apr 1, 2018 20:56:17 GMT
Thank you for your response, North End. It's funny, most of these recounts of using the passageway in question tend to be set back 30-40 years ago!
Regarding boltholes, I think I know what you mean. There is one visible on the northbound approach to Victoria (Vic line) where if you look to the right several metres before the junction where the siding diverges, there is a lit up bolt hole. Trains will often hold in line with it during rush hour, so if you happen to be at the right spot on the train, you can peer through. I just about made out a green emergency sign, however as you say there is the problem with cables running across, which no doubt impedes access.
I am guessing the set up at Down Street is more of a glorified corridor?
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Post by PiccNT on Apr 1, 2018 22:35:15 GMT
I'm down (no pun intended) there on Tuesday night as part of a rusty rail move. If I have time, I might take a few photos.
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Post by Alight on Apr 1, 2018 23:03:46 GMT
Thanks PiccNT, really appreciated!
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Post by fish7373 on Apr 2, 2018 1:18:47 GMT
I have read in a handful of sources that the very end of the DS siding has foot access to the HPK crossover. However, it is very difficult to find out more about this - it only ever seems to be referenced in a sentence or so. My questions are: 1) Was there ever a link passageway for drivers to walk down? If so, does it still exist? 2) If it does exist, is it still common practice for drivers to use it, or would they walk down the main running tunnels? 3) Are there any photos? (There are quite a few DS siding photos knocking around, but these are usually taken closer to the DS end) Yes there is a passage, and there certainly was a procedure for using it, and probably still is. In actual fact most if not all sidings have some kind of bolthole giving access to the adjacent running line or lines. Kennington, Archway and Tooting Broadway certainly do - although they're not really suitable for use as an access point, in most cases being narrow and often involving hazards like having to climb over cable runs or whatever. These boltholes do however sometimes make useful short-cuts if walking the track in engineering hours! There is no passage way to walk down as such, at first there is wooden boards on the track over the crossover in to a tunnel,at the end of the westbound plateform cockfosters end, to go in the Line control stops a train in the platform and the driver shuts down and gives keys to the station supervisor as for protection with the train when in sideing you ring station supervisor you are in and in a safe place and to come out do in rev`s order
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Post by rummer on Apr 2, 2018 19:31:39 GMT
Spot on fish7373 I've done that walk a few times
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Post by Alight on Apr 2, 2018 21:21:22 GMT
fish7373/Rummer: There's something missing here. By your description, track walk begins from WB platform. When you reach the crossover there are some planks laying across it (to form a bridge). Then somehow you're in the siding where you telephone the supervisor - is there not still a passageway between the crossover and siding?
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Post by North End on Apr 2, 2018 22:01:29 GMT
fish7373/Rummer: There's something missing here. By your description, track walk begins from WB platform. When you reach the crossover there are some planks laying across it (to form a bridge). Then somehow you're in the siding where you telephone the supervisor - is there not still a passageway between the crossover and siding? Yes there is. When on the crossover there is an opening on the right hand side if walking eastwards. This leads to a passage which comes out at the end of the siding. It all seems a bit involved compared to just being dropped off at the siding entry or exit points like is standard practice at Kennington, but having said that the distance at Down Street is probably greater.
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Post by fish7373 on Apr 2, 2018 22:46:13 GMT
fish7373/Rummer: There's something missing here. By your description, track walk begins from WB platform. When you reach the crossover there are some planks laying across it (to form a bridge). Then somehow you're in the siding where you telephone the supervisor - is there not still a passageway between the crossover and siding? HI as to say there is no passage way at the end of the platform you have to walk along the main line running tunnel with traction current on your have to watch your footings to say hairy and cross the cross over then opens into a large tunnel passage way to the buffers stops and has a pit in the siding as well to say.
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 3, 2018 7:53:04 GMT
Whilst the procedure here sounds complex enough to avoid using it too often, do staff ever get dropped off at others e.g. Kennington referred to above? Is it routine or jyst during disruption where atrain has to be put away?
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Post by superteacher on Apr 3, 2018 8:11:05 GMT
Whilst the procedure here sounds complex enough to avoid using it too often, do staff ever get dropped off at others e.g. Kennington referred to above? Is it routine or jyst during disruption where atrain has to be put away? They don’t steble trains at those locations in regular service, but if there has been a suspension or maybe a defective train, they may leave one in the siding so at some point, it will need to be retrieved.
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Post by North End on Apr 3, 2018 10:34:17 GMT
Whilst the procedure here sounds complex enough to avoid using it too often, do staff ever get dropped off at others e.g. Kennington referred to above? Is it routine or jyst during disruption where atrain has to be put away? Only if a train is stabled in the siding for whatever reason - none are booked to do so, but a defective train may be left there - as indeed happened on Sunday evening. The complication is there’s no official walkway, so since a union complaint a few years back it’s now necessary for traction current to be taken off, at least if train operators are involved, and because of the layout there this means the southbound too. So what used to take a minute or two now takes 5-10 mins depending on how long the traction current arrangements take. Hitherto it was just a case of getting a northbound train to stop at the points, the driver of that train take out his key, staff climb in or out through the M door, and once staff are in a place of safety the train continues.
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Post by PiccNT on Apr 4, 2018 11:33:04 GMT
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Post by Alight on Apr 4, 2018 15:18:38 GMT
Thanks! I love the video - very 'DEV'!
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Post by londonstuff on Apr 4, 2018 18:14:00 GMT
I love the way there are a load of yellows in a row, as if to say, "Don't even think about it..." Past the sand drag there's what looks like a mini set of cast-iron rings. Where does that lead?
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Post by fish7373 on Apr 4, 2018 18:25:17 GMT
To the west to east cross over tunnel.
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Post by Alight on Apr 5, 2018 0:01:50 GMT
That foot tunnel looks tiny!
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Post by version3point1 on May 9, 2018 12:25:16 GMT
I love the way there are a load of yellows in a row, as if to say, "Don't even think about it..." Same set-up in the sidings for T5, ha.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 18:08:08 GMT
Was all the yellows installed post Moorgate disaster as a warning it’s going into a dead end tunnel
I’m sure Liverpool Street siding on the Central was / has the same set up
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Post by North End on May 9, 2018 19:11:32 GMT
Was all the yellows installed post Moorgate disaster as a warning it’s going into a dead end tunnel I’m sure Liverpool Street siding on the Central was / has the same set up Without checking the facts I’d suggest they were more likely a response to the Tooting Broadway siding accidents, which came a few years before Moorgate.
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Post by programmes1 on May 10, 2018 5:12:20 GMT
Was all the yellows installed post Moorgate disaster as a warning it’s going into a dead end tunnel I’m sure Liverpool Street siding on the Central was / has the same set up Without checking the facts I’d suggest they were more likely a response to the Tooting Broadway siding accidents, which came a few years before Moorgate. North End, I think you are correct I read somewhere that yellow lights were installed after Tooting Broadway.
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Post by principlesdesigner on May 10, 2018 5:45:23 GMT
Was all the yellows installed post Moorgate disaster as a warning it’s going into a dead end tunnel I’m sure Liverpool Street siding on the Central was / has the same set up It did indeed, as did Marble Arch
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