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Post by superteacher on Feb 22, 2018 8:41:25 GMT
Sometimes, late running trains are terminated at Hatton Cross. However, on approach to Hatton Cross, the DVA announces “this train is for terminals 1,2,3 and 5. Passengers for terminal 4 should change at Hatton Cross.” This happens on any Hatton Cross terminator, and is confusing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 9:01:42 GMT
Unless the driver is told too late that they are going to reverse at Hatton Cross to change the DVA
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Post by superteacher on Feb 22, 2018 9:13:29 GMT
Unless the driver is told too late that they are going to reverse at Hatton Cross to change the DVA No the DVA was set up for Hatton Cross from at least Earls Court. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 9:15:22 GMT
Sounds like a clitch in the programming then
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Post by superteacher on Feb 22, 2018 9:19:09 GMT
Sounds like a clitch in the programming then Probably because I’ve noticed it before on Hatton Cross reversers. Perhaps because the DVA isn’t set for T4, it automatically makes the announcement. |
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Post by PiccNT on Feb 22, 2018 13:59:02 GMT
Not noticed that myself. I am going to T5 & T4 this evening so I might run an experiment.
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Post by fish7373 on Feb 22, 2018 19:32:26 GMT
Sometimes, late running trains are terminated at Hatton Cross. However, on approach to Hatton Cross, the DVA announces “this train is for terminals 1,2,3 and 5. Passengers for terminal 4 should change at Hatton Cross.” This happens on any Hatton Cross terminator, and is confusing. HI Which car number then or all trains. |
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Post by superteacher on Feb 22, 2018 21:13:51 GMT
Sometimes, late running trains are terminated at Hatton Cross. However, on approach to Hatton Cross, the DVA announces “this train is for terminals 1,2,3 and 5. Passengers for terminal 4 should change at Hatton Cross.” This happens on any Hatton Cross terminator, and is confusing. HI Which car number then or all trains. Didn’t get the car number but noticed it on more than one train. |
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Post by PiccNT on Feb 26, 2018 1:56:11 GMT
You are indeed correct. I had a Hatton Cross reverser last night and it did exactly as you state. Once it tells you that the train is the terminal 1,2,3 and 5, it then says the next station is Hatton Cross where this train terminates! Will report it when in work tomorrow.
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Post by goldenarrow on Feb 26, 2018 15:00:40 GMT
On a similar note, does it still announce that, "This is a Piccadilly line service to Heathrow Terminals 1,2,3&5" whilst at T1,2&3?
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Post by PiccNT on Feb 27, 2018 1:15:48 GMT
On a similar note, does it still announce that, "This is a Piccadilly line service to Heathrow Terminals 1,2,3&5" whilst at T1,2&3? Yep! |
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Post by countryman on Feb 27, 2018 8:46:58 GMT
On a similar note, does it still announce that, "This is a Piccadilly line service to Heathrow Terminals 1,2,3&5" whilst at T1,2&3? Yep! So they haven't yet removed the reference for the defunct Terminal 1? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 27, 2018 9:55:00 GMT
[So they haven't yet removed the reference for the defunct Terminal 1? Nope! Platform roundels still display the former name although the Tube Map was updated a few issues ago. |
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Post by alpinejohn on Feb 28, 2018 17:40:44 GMT
OK there are some people who love stuff being totally correct. But in this case does it really matter if signage at Heathrow still refers to Terminal 1?
Any money spent on removing and replacing signs or changing diagrams on trains is money which cannot be spent on fixing stuff which really MUST be fixed - like the increasingly unreliable signalling on the Piccadilly. OK it won't be a massive saving, but people need to wake up to the dire financial straits which TFL are now in and encourage TFL to focus what little money they have on fixing the core infrastructure.
As I understand it for many years airlines have stopped referring to terminal 1 on their passenger tickets. So I bet most passengers will ONLY ever be looking for signs to whatever terminal their ticket actually says they need to go to and just as importantly they will be totally ignoring signs for any other terminals - regardless of whether they still exist or not.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 4, 2018 18:47:10 GMT
“Excuse me guv, I came all the way ‘ere and found that there ain’t no terminal 1. Your signs ain’t right. I wouldn’t ‘ave come ‘ere otherwise!”
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Post by superteacher on Jun 13, 2018 20:06:51 GMT
Bump! It seems that the issue still exists. PiccNT did you manage to report it? |
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Post by PiccNT on Jun 14, 2018 10:38:41 GMT
I did mention it. I think at some stage they are going to remove T1 from the station name and then they will have to update the DVA. Maybe then. It's apparently quite expensive to modify the DVA and on the basis that there's not much money available, it's going to be pretty low down on any list to get fixed.
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 14, 2018 11:13:03 GMT
Updating older CIS systems are not a trivial task. This comes up from time to time and the answers are always the same: essentially it is both easier and more cost effective to carry out a package of upgrades all at once rather than piecemeal changes from time to time. With the organisation's current budgetary constraints this is true more than ever - similar reasoning exists for not having yet "officially" changed the name of Heathrow 1,2,3 anywhere except on new versions of paper maps.
I believe that the 1973 stock CIS requires alterations to make it fully RVAR compliant by the end of next year, so I wouldn't be surprised if such alterations were carried out between now and then.
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Post by A60stock on Jun 14, 2018 12:58:09 GMT
whats wrong with the CIS at the moment? Why is it not compliant?
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Post by crusty54 on Jun 14, 2018 20:49:15 GMT
Updating older CIS systems are not a trivial task. This comes up from time to time and the answers are always the same: essentially it is both easier and more cost effective to carry out a package of upgrades all at once rather than piecemeal changes from time to time. With the organisation's current budgetary constraints this is true more than ever - similar reasoning exists for not having yet "officially" changed the name of Heathrow 1,2,3 anywhere except on new versions of paper maps. I believe that the 1973 stock CIS requires alterations to make it fully RVAR compliant by the end of next year, so I wouldn't be surprised if such alterations were carried out between now and then. I appreciate that changes cost money but who can justify "Alight here for Earl's Court exhibition centre" on District line trains and on Overground trains at West Brompton? |
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