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Post by Alight on Oct 29, 2017 22:25:35 GMT
Hi all,
Hope you find the following video promoted by London Transport Museum's recent e-newsletter useful and informative:
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Post by brigham on Oct 30, 2017 8:58:02 GMT
"...The now-coloured yarns are re-packaged, ready to ship to Lithuania..." No comment.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 30, 2017 9:58:21 GMT
"...The now-coloured yarns are re-packaged, ready to ship to Lithuania..." No comment. So, the point of you posting "no comment" is?
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Post by fish7373 on Oct 30, 2017 10:23:15 GMT
No wonder are dark satanic mill`s went.
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Post by Ben on Oct 30, 2017 13:56:00 GMT
There was a comment on here a few years ago about how someone had chanced on one of the old looms that had just been closed/taken over who'd dumped their mechanical pattern cards for moquette in a skip. Very fuzzy on the exact words and terms used so wouldn't know where to begin finding it, but that sort of thing speaks volumes for industrial and design heritage if there are people out there so disinterested that stuff can just end up tossed out.
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Post by brigham on Oct 30, 2017 15:44:44 GMT
There was a comment on here a few years ago about how someone had chanced on one of the old looms that had just been closed/taken over who'd dumped their mechanical pattern cards for moquette in a skip. Very fuzzy on the exact words and terms used so wouldn't know where to begin finding it, but that sort of thing speaks volumes for industrial and design heritage if there are people out there so disinterested that stuff can just end up tossed out. The Jaquard Loom is the amazing device we used to use for making moquette in the West Riding. Looks like something else we've lost, in our haste to rid ourselves of Blake's 'Dark Satanic Jobs'. (Sorry...'Mills'.)
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Post by class411 on Oct 30, 2017 16:48:15 GMT
The Jaquard Loom was the very first programmed machine.
Joseph Jaquard deserves a place alongside Ada, Countess Lovelace, the pair being parents of programming.
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Post by scheduler on Nov 12, 2017 16:36:51 GMT
It's a sad day when the very process that this country's industrial revolution was built on is now done abroad.
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 12, 2017 16:48:56 GMT
It's a sad day when the very process that this country's industrial revolution was built on is now done abroad. Not really, we have taken up new tools. Some call it "progress".
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 12, 2017 17:13:25 GMT
It's a sad day when the very process that this country's industrial revolution was built on is now done abroad. Not really, we have taken up new tools. Some call it "progress". Some call it cheaper labour, or where are the apprentices?
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Post by tjw on Nov 12, 2017 20:44:19 GMT
Some processes have to be done abroad, H&S will not allow it here, anyway when was the last time H&S complained when the risk is exported off site. Now where is the Gunpowder made that we have seen being burnt over the last couple of weeks?
Greater workers rights also have their downsides in increased costs, when was the last time we checked the employment rights of the worker that made the object before buying?
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 12, 2017 22:01:13 GMT
Some processes have to be done abroad, H&S will not allow it here... H&S doesn't ban anything, it just mandates a number of measures to control the risk are in place. However for some organisations this can become prohibitely expensive. I was going to say an example is games of conkers, banned by some schools on the grounds of health and safety - what is actually needed is goggles. However upon checking my facts before posting I discover the following: www.hse.gov.uk/myth/september.htmThe HSE even sponsored the World conker championships in 2008.
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Post by brigham on Nov 13, 2017 8:43:13 GMT
Some processes have to be done abroad, H&S will not allow it here, anyway when was the last time H&S complained when the risk is exported off site. Now where is the Gunpowder made that we have seen being burnt over the last couple of weeks? Greater workers rights also have their downsides in increased costs, when was the last time we checked the employment rights of the worker that made the object before buying? True enough. As long as the final product is affordable, who cares who picked the cotton...
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Post by tjw on Nov 13, 2017 16:43:35 GMT
Some processes have to be done abroad, H&S will not allow it here... H&S doesn't ban anything, it just mandates a number of measures to control the risk are in place. However for some organisations this can become prohibitely expensive. I was not referring to the HSE, I was referring to H&S in the chemical industry, and they do ban reagents / chemical processes from labs /sites. Also in the Railway industry certain methods of work are also banned...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 19:11:37 GMT
Not for me to comment on the rights or wrongs of overseas production but Camira, who make TfL and LU’s moquettes have a base in Huddersfield and in Lithuania as is common in multi-national companies. I suspect that depending on the size of the production run they make a commercial decision as to which looms and location weaves it. The majority of LU’s fabrics have traditionally been made in Yorkshire. Camira is now the trading name of Holdsworth, the then Halifax based producers of fabrics - various of their historic Jacquard looms ended up in the Halifax Industrial Museum (that shows their vintage!) and many of their design cards and patterns survive - albeit often in ‘digital’ format for new looms. Other major players were British Furtex, again of Calderdale, who folded into Holdsworth many years ago (although I do recall a visit to their elderly weaving sheds in the 1990’s) and the long lost Lister’s of Bradford. The latter were decades ago the major supplier of moquettes to LU.
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Post by roythebus on Nov 13, 2017 22:27:38 GMT
Camira Fabrics took over Holdsworth a few years ago.
you'd be surprised how many old samples Holdsworth have in stock. I recently wanted some moquette for my 4RF4 BEA coaches. I sent them a sample of the old moquette, they matched it within a day with the comment "we haven't made that since 1952". I've heard similar from so many other restorers, don't knock Holdsworth or Camira, they're doing a fine job for the preservation movement.
I really don't care where the finished product comes from as long as it's good quality and does the job, even if it costs £5000 to do my bus!
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